THE DIVINE FEMININE IS RETURNING | Are We Ready for Her? with Cassandra Plowman

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Welcome to Star Being. I'm Tara, your guide. Blending the wisdom of the stars, philosophy and soul centered conversation. Here we question, remember and reconnect with the stars, with self, with true being. I hope these conversations ignite within you resonance, awakening and a deeper knowing. Together we open to more truth, more magic, more you. Welcome to episode 42. The Divine Feminine is returning. Are we ready for her? I am very excited for this episode. I feel that it is coming out in the perfect timing. This is something that I'm really exploring currently in my book club Lumen. And so this episode is with Cassandra Plowman, who is a tantric mentor, a feminine energy guide and a relationship alchemist for conscious successful women who are done with unhealthy dynamics and are ready to step into their feminine power in every area of their life. From a global career as a model to co founding 111 Health and Ayurvedic longevity brand. She blends tradition with modern elegance. Her work is grounded in such lived experience. She has trained in Psychic K and Tantra. She has a decade of self study across the Vedas, shamanism and beyond. And she's visited, as you'll hear in this episode, ancient sites across India and Egypt. And she's also had many one on one teachings and transmissions from incredibly wise teachers. I have known of Cassandra for a while. Being in the Ayurvedic community, it's quite niche, it's quite small and I have to say I loved, loved this woman and I think especially in the spiritual space and there can be more of this love and light energy, but Cassandra and her energy, and I hope that you're actually watching this on YouTube because Cassandra just has this angelic presence that is so grounding and so I know you'll hear it in this episode, but yeah, I just, I'm so looking forward to your feedback. My assistant, when she was listening to this, she messaged me 10 minutes in just saying how much she was loving the episode. So I hope you do too. In this episode, we examine how women have been conditioned to equate power with beauty, visibility and performance. And how this inversion slowly erodes our sovereignty. And we explore what it means to be seen without display, to hold power without performing, and to embody the feminine without collapsing into old archetypes or that masculine overdrive. Cassandra also shares the subconscious beliefs she often sees shaping women's lives around men. Ambition, softness, safety, and this persistent myth that femininity and power cannot cope coexist. She also speaks about her own journey into a conscious partnership and she gives some really grounded insight for navigating relationships with clarity, self, trust, and coming back to that in our sovereignty. So I hope you enjoy. [00:04:08] Speaker B: Welcome, Cassandra. I'm so happy to have you on starbing. I feel that you really embody everything that star being, like, its essence, the divine feminine, the aspects of healing and. Yeah, just that deep spirituality that I feel from you. So welcome. [00:04:32] Speaker C: Thank you so much. I'm so looking forward to our chat. [00:04:36] Speaker B: I have so many questions, but the first one that I really wanted to start with is I had this dream a couple of months ago now, and this is really what has sparked me wanting to have this conversation with you. I had this dream, and dreams have been really symbolic to me lately. And it was this dream where I was showing that the feminine rules this realm. That's what I was shown. And it really. It was one of those dreams that you just remember because it was so powerful. And I woke up from that and I was like, oh, it's interesting. Even though there's dynamics around, you know, there's not the masculine and the feminine. There's no, you know, one's better than the other. And it's not that power play. What that dream, like, showed me was just the power that the feminine holds, and we've forgotten it. And so I'd love to get your. Your thoughts on where we are at the moment. I feel like there is this divine feminine rising, and I don't feel that there is role models for that divine feminine. So I'd love to know from you, what does the divine healthy expression look like to you, and what are you seeing with the divine feminine rising? [00:06:09] Speaker C: I love your dream, and it's nice to really hear that and that symbolism, because how I perceive this world is that women are, you know, I guess, for lack of a better word, the rulers of this world. But as you said, it's been forgotten. The power was never, you know, taken away, is never absent. It's innate. You know, speaking speak to any woman that has carried life within her and given birth. You know, we create life. We're so incredibly powerful. And I believe the confusion came in when there's been, you know, numerous continuous occasions of women being mistreated and oppressed and suppressed all over the world for so long. However, you know, I feel that it's. It's not a case of trying to prove our power or be empowered. We are powerful. It's just that recognition of that power. And I think it's really fascinating what's going on in the world right now, because you know, you just go into TikTok and you see battle of the sexes and you. You see all this content about, you know, men are this, men are that, women are this, women that. And what does it mean to be feminine and masculine? And I can see a lot of conversations out there that are unpacking these topics of feminine and masculine, but in a way that's lacking true understanding or embodiment. It's sort of like concepts thrown around or spoken about, but I think labels being attached to rather than actually, you know, what are the gifts of each and how are we meant to interact with each other? And we can see this beautiful rising of the feminine and the way that structures are being dismantled. You know, things are being exposed. Like, it's this beautiful. You can definitely speak to this a lot more than me, but just. I'm curious what's going on astrologically actually. But that's how I see this kind of rising. It's bringing us back to truth in this day and age. It's sort of like any untruths are being exposed. So, you know, what is feminine power really? Well, it's. Our power is both within and without, and those two are interconnected. So I see our inner power as being something that can never be taken away from us. The only way it can be taken away is if we're giving it away. We have to. In order for us to believe that we're disempowered, we have to agree with that narrative and we have to accept that as our belief system, which I don't. I think that as a woman in the modern Western world particularly, we have never had this much opportunity and it's been so much progress and, you know, there's so much we can do, there's nothing we can't do. I think the confusion is where, you know, there's power within social structures and, you know, systems and paradigms and everything where that can make women feel disempowered or forget their powers. You so rightly said. But the key, I think, is remembering of our own power, because then that is going to really translate into how we're showing up in the world and also how we're seeing the world. [00:10:01] Speaker B: Yes, I love that. And it makes me think about, you know, that word that you said, empowerment and knew that makes us like that we're not in power. And so we've given that power away. And that's what I felt in that dream. It's like we have just forgotten and we have given it away and we haven't upheld that. That. That power that we hold innately. And with that, I feel as though in society right now, in the culture, women's empowerment or women's. I guess, power is shown as her being seen, as her being beautiful or in this way. And I see a lot of that on, you know, these platforms now where women are portraying themselves. And I'm like, is this just an inverted way that we're sort of trying to make ourselves feel powerful, but it's actually disempowering us in this structure? I'd love to get your thoughts on that and how we can. What is the feminine aspect? Like, she needs to be seen, but it. She doesn't need to be flaunted. Like, what's your thoughts on that? [00:11:30] Speaker C: Yeah, I see what you're saying, because it's kind of how I see it, is we have this internal, innate power that doesn't need to be proven or forced. It just is like you have it and you remember it or you've forgotten it, basically. And then there's this kind of, like, extreme external power. So this external validation where in these systems and structures of this world, this relative world, we have different ways where men and women can find a. I guess a superficial form of power. And for women, the way to do that can often be our physical attractiveness, our beauty, a, you know, our sexuality, those types of things. But as you said, it's a fine line. Right. Because that can be really disempowering. You have this. Your. Your beauty and your sensuality is incredibly powerful. I mean, throughout the ages, men have gone to wars over that stuff, you know? [00:12:33] Speaker B: Yes. [00:12:34] Speaker C: Like, what else. You know, men are doing all these things for what? To. For their women, to get the women to impress the women. The women are so much more powerful than they know. But if that power is kind of thwarted or misused, it can. There's a shadow to that, too. As you were saying, it's like this. If you have this power of your sensuality, if you're just, like, giving that away to whoever and you're not honoring its sacredness and power, that's. That's disempowering. I feel. I think I tread carefully here because I'm not here to say what a woman should and shouldn't do. It's completely up to her. It's within. That's her life. That's her body, her power, her choices. But the way I see it is that knowing you're powerful means, you know, you have nothing to prove. And so you would likely show up in a different way online and in your daily life than you would if you had actually forgotten your power and you're trying to get it, not realizing it's already there. It's like that whole looking around your house for the diamond necklace that's around your neck. Right. It's like you don't need to do all that because you are already beautiful, you are already powerful, you are this central being. And the tragedy is when women don't really know that or believe that. Mm. [00:14:19] Speaker B: Yeah. I love the way that you phrase that. It's almost as though. Yeah, it's that it feels like that grabbing energy of. Yeah. Trying to maintain, like, grab that power rather than embody it. It feels like there is like a shadow aspect of that. So I love how you mentioned that with. When you talk about our power and it is something that we innately have and it can only be taken from us if we allow that. [00:14:54] Speaker C: Where [00:14:57] Speaker B: do you think that if we're giving that away, that it's serving us in some way? Like there's a reason that we're giving that power away because we're too afraid of it or we don't want to be responsible for it. Why do you think that we're not embodying that from that divine feminine aspect or we just don't have that role model of what that healthy feminine looks like? [00:15:26] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a really good point. And by the way, when I say what I'm about to say, I'm of course not referring to situations in the world where there's been, you know, a life or death threat of disempowerment. You know, that's not what we're talking about here. This is in, you know, everyday scenarios like you and I would be in, where we, yes, may unwittingly be self sabotaging. We may have a subconscious belief system that doesn't support our knowledge of our own power. We may, as you said, be terrified of, you know, who we could really become and what we're really capable of. And I see that more often with clients than I see, you know, most other things. It's just like this knowledge that, you know, once you have the knowledge of this universe, you know, the one individual, one indivisible whole, and that you are this expression of the divine. It's like the whole thing's done already. Like you, you know, you realize your own power, there's nothing to actually do about it apart from embody it, apart from remember it and live it. Really, that kind of self sabotage comes from, you know, a lack of, maybe lack of knowledge of reality. Maybe it's part of the journey of the spiritual path towards you remember, forget, remember, forget until you kind of go o, okay, I got it, I got it. And then you might not even still have it. And then you keep forgetting. So it's sort of this, this ignorance of our true nature really is the basis of that. But then we do have these really funny subconscious belief systems that we inherited from when we were children that can be running in the background and sabotaging things without despite our best conscious efforts, we may have all the best ambitions and intentions and goals. And then the sneaky subconscious sabotage can come in and that can be called a secondary gain. So you said, what could people be gaining from giving away their power? Well, great question, because secondary gains are these things that. And I, I do a lot of work with psych K this subconscious modality with clients. So it's looking at the kind of really sneaky things we would never acknowledge or believe that we're doing, but we are doing it. We just don't realize it. It's like, what am I getting out of this? It could be safety, you know, a fear of being seen or showing up or having to do some really hard work. It could be so many different things. I mean, I've seen people manifest entire illnesses to avoid doing things or. Yeah, it can be really strong and insidious too. Like you can be like, why do I keep finding myself in these situations? Or why do I keep self sabotaging? Take a look at your subconscious and you'll probably find the answers. [00:18:54] Speaker B: Yes, I, I've recently found that with anti manifesting when you're haven't heard of [00:19:02] Speaker C: this, where you're focusing on what you [00:19:06] Speaker B: don't want to happen and then that's creating like obviously that coherence between the heart and the mind and then it's so easily coming into reality and then it's just okay. If that's how that works, then it's let's do it for the, the right things or the things that we really want. [00:19:26] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:19:27] Speaker B: So what are some of those subconscious beliefs that you've unpacked with women that you've worked with? Because what I've seen in the collective recently and you know, I guess you can call these like pendulums or like thoughts or. Yeah, like more of that suppression kind of group think mentality around, you know, men will always cheat no matter what or you know, I have to over give like to sustain that love or I have to Give up my career or I can't be ambitious and be feminine. Like, what are those main ones that you're seeing women really struggle with? [00:20:19] Speaker C: Yeah, you've mentioned some really good ones. It's like, oh, that old chestnut. And I think a lot of this is unfortunately being targeted to us via algorithms to divide and conquer. Like, I can see those patterns playing out. But yeah, there are some collective beliefs, like I mentioned earlier in the podcast, about how people will read something from some polarity book and be like, oh, in order to be feminine. Yeah, I shouldn't work. Or, you know, like, I see this whole tradwife trend and that's fine if that's genuinely in your heart and your path. Incredible. Do that. But don't misunderstand that you have to be this like, all or nothing mentality, because the truth of it is, when you actually look into it, of course we naturally have a feminine energy and expression, but that does need to be balanced because for every woman, there's an inner masculine as well. For every man, there's an inner feminine. And of course I, I love, you know, the polarity of feminine, masculine, all of that, but what I see is kind of sad. And you can see this on TV and social media. You can see it everywhere. Once you spot it is like, you know, I'm a man, therefore I am entitled to this and can get away with X, Y and Z. It's just, it's silly. I just think at the end of the day, the most important thing for relationships is, yes, the polarity. You know, the feminine and masculine have this dance. In order for the feminine to feel safe, she needs to feel she's with this masculine man that makes her feel safe, that can be trustworthy, that has direction, that is strong and stable. The masculine just laps up this feminine essence of, you know, intuition and sensuality and playfulness. This is natural to us. But where I see the problems occurring is these rigidly structured roles. When we're each individual human beings and the only thing that matters for our relationships is really our wisdom, sincerity, kindness. And we've, it's like we've forgotten how to be human beings and we've forgotten how to actually love our partners. There's so much, is so much caught up in the transactional way of thinking, like, oh, in order to kind of increase my dating market value, I need to do this. And I'm not going to settle for anyone that's, you know, less than 6 foot with the celery, like all this superficiality and this kind of like, Misunderstanding of what actually relationship's all about and what's going to sustain them. I think I find that one the most mind blowing. It's like also this kind of belief that if relationships aren't always completely sunshine and rainbows, well, there's something wrong. Like you know, don't be in that then don't settle. [00:23:43] Speaker B: Yes. [00:23:44] Speaker C: You know, I see this a lot with say matchmakers or dating coaches. It's like people having extremely unrealistic expectations of their partner but not actually self referring on what is it that I can give to this relationship? There's a lot of people thinking what can I get, what can I take? But the problem with that is you get two takers in a relationship, it's dead in the water. You get two givers in a relationship, I mean it's like heaven on earth. [00:24:20] Speaker B: Yes. I think that is such a beautiful point is the, the lost art of those, those healthy relationships and what that even looks like now. I'm, I'm finding that hard to find like a role model in that. In terms of like you mentioned this. I think there is like some restrictions now that have come in when, when we talk about that polarity of the masculine and feminine. It's like, oh well, the feminine is this. So you have to always be this and if you're too. Yeah. And it's like there's already so much to like dance between. Like, I just think it's another layer and we've really got misguided in like you said, coming back to what it actually means to be like a giving human in that relationship and, and what you can give to the relationship instead of getting. I would love to know what your, your experience with navigating to a really healthy relationship look like and how did you change? Because I see so many really confident, independent women and they're, they're really craving a love. But it might not be the most healthy, might not be the most healthy dynamic. And so I love to know what your experience of navigating to a healthy relationship look like and feels like and your, your experience in that. [00:26:22] Speaker C: So yeah, I have a lot of experience with that unfortunately. So, so the change in me that needed to occur to no longer feel that the types of dynamics I was attracting were appealing or that I was attracted to any of that was truly that internal shift. So this is in line with my spiritual journey and awakening and as a consequence my self worth increased and the things that I was at the time tolerating were just no longer tolerable. I wasn't Able to be in certain situations with people and dynamics that were not evolutionary, that weren't, you know, basically a match for who I had become through the inner work that I'd done. So it's quite a natural, a natural process really was going within not trying to solve the problem on the level of the problem. Realizing that if I didn't do the work on myself to get really honest about how I was participating in these dynamics. And sometimes participation, by the way, is just tolerating things. It doesn't mean that we're like, you know, the evil co creator. Sometimes it's just like, well, why are you putting up with this? And it's like, I really didn't have a good answer to that question after a while because I didn't want to. And with this deep internal shift I went on and this, and this took many years and a lot of really doing the work. And I, I don't really like, you know, you hear that thrown around while doing the work. But that's what I did. And as a result was able to break the patterns that I was creating and attracting. And I made sure of that before I then entered into another relationship. Because the fact of the matter is I clocked pretty early on that if I don't do the work, I'm just gonna end up in the same situation. Yeah. And it was a real testament to that evolution I went through that I attracted this, this beautiful, kind, wise, conscious man that was able to really experience what healthy love felt like and, you know, safety and passion at the same time. And that's been the greatest gift. And I've learned so much throughout that process. But if I could say one thing to someone who's really trying to navigate out of, I guess, talk, say a toxic dynamic or a dynamic that isn't right for them, not serving them to something that's healthy and supports them. I would just say get radically honest with yourself about why it is that you feel that you deserve the current dynamic you're in and what is making you co create it, support it, accept it and tolerate it, and go within, do the work. And then one day you'll just be like, that's just like not sexy. I'm not into that. It's not doing it for me. And that day's a great day. [00:30:06] Speaker B: Is there any part of you, can you remember when you're on this journey where there was a limiting belief where you were just like, I, I don't know if this is possible. Like, I don't know if this type of Consciousness in a man or, you know, this is available because if you haven't seen that, it's hard to believe it and have faith in that. So what, in those moments, like, what did, what did you call on? Was this your spiritual practice? Like, what gave you that, that faith? Did you have any role models that you were. You're seeing in front of you to show you that it was possible? [00:30:54] Speaker C: That's such a good question because no, it's very hard to imagine something that you've never experienced without it sometimes feeling like a pipe dream or an unrealistic expectation. For me, I just got really good at trusting my inner knowing and knowing that it was even though I hadn't experienced it yet, that I knew it was possible because if I desired it, I wouldn't have been given the desire unless it was possible. And it was a leap of faith for sure. You know, I've spoken to many clients and friends who are facing that fear of, well, how do I know that that's actually out there for me and it's possible? And to them I say it's, it's partially you really being it and becoming it first to be a match for that and partially just a trust and a knowing because love can't be forced. This is something that has always shown up in my life. Like it's never been like a go out and, you know, hunt the man. You know, it's like, I think part of it is, it's like, I see it like life. We're acting in a play and it's like, all right, Q, you know, enter this actor into your life now. And like they're playing that role and it's sort of like, when are they going to show up? Well, they're going to show up when you're ready for it. [00:32:43] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:32:44] Speaker C: At the right time. [00:32:45] Speaker B: The vibrational match and the divine timing [00:32:49] Speaker C: coming together can't force it. [00:32:52] Speaker B: Yes. I love that. Did you, did you get to a point before you met your king that you were like, ah, I'm actually good because I, this is what happened before I met my husband. I was like, I sat my parents down and I was like, I am done with the relationship thing. [00:33:12] Speaker C: Like, I, I've had enough. Yeah, I'm done. [00:33:17] Speaker B: And then of course that non attachment just. Yeah, yeah. [00:33:26] Speaker C: Best, best place to be in most magnetic vibration ever is I'm good with or without you is just incredibly attractive. There's no neediness, there's no like grasping, chasing. It's like I feel fulfilled because ultimately, otherwise, if we're not in that energy. We're looking for someone else to fulfill us and our needs. And not only is it just a hundred times sexier to, you know, be not detached and avoidant, but just like, I'm good, you know, ready, but I'm happy, I'm fulfilled. Then someone that's like, you know, hunting you down, like, it's. You know what I mean? But it's also just. That comes back to the two givers. [00:34:21] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:34:21] Speaker C: So it's like if you're hunting, that means you're wanting to get something. And people can sense that from just a while away, whether it's sales or whether it's relationships, we just. We know, like, when someone's in the energy and it takes pressure off, it takes off away expectations, demands. There's a naturalness to it. It's something that can find you and naturally evolve as opposed to a structured force way of doing things. And I mean, it comes back to your power versus force. I can see all these patterns and kind of everything. Like, you start to just sort of see these universal patterns and absolutely everything. You go, well, how can I apply that to my relationships? Well, I want to be a net giver, my relationships. I don't need to have someone, but I would love to. I would love to share the love that I've cultivated within with someone. Because we're here to experience love. That's why we've incarnated. I would love that, but I don't. I'm quite happy if that doesn't show up as well. And I know there's these biological drive, you know, within us. We want to potentially have a family and have children. We want to experience all these things. We want maybe some security. This is completely human to feel of those things. But if we can ultimately, as our baseline, be like, as you said it, you just kind of were in this energy. And it's. When you're not looking is when they show up. Like, you see it all the time, right? Yes. Like, when you're not looking, things will show up. When you don't need something, it'll come to you. When you're, like, desperately out there, like, grasping and searching. It's probably gonna take longer. [00:36:10] Speaker B: Yes, yes, it's. It's definitely the. The energetics when it comes to creating that dynamic of, I want to say, the magnetic. I've been really wanting to lean into more of the muse energy because I could see where you. I think when you are in a relationship and you. You're comfortable, you know, being in that partnership, being Married for a while. There can be like these sneaky things that come in in terms of like the mothering energy or like the organizer. And it's been really important for me to have awareness around remaining in the muse, so I've been wanting to cultivate that. So I'd love to speak to you about that. But this has made me think about something that a lot of people have been talking about, which is decentering men. And I really like this because not. And again, it's not putting men down and I think there's like context around that, but it's just having a full life. And I saw someone recently talking about, you know, you've got your, you know, full plate and you've got all these things, your interests, your hobbies, and, you know, your work and your soul, you know, all these things and you know, your partnership, your relationship, your marriage is part of that, but it's not the only thing. And I think especially being females and we're wanting to nurture and we're wanting to nourish, I find sometimes it's really hard to like maintain that. What is your advice on kind of like that de. Centering, keeping in the muse energy? Like, how do you. Is that like a daily practice for you? Like, how. How are you cultivating that? [00:38:09] Speaker C: Yeah, it's such a good point about the long term relationships sustaining that polarity and that. Yeah. That balance and aliveness with your eros. So the way I see it is, yes, there's. There's always that like, little part of us that's like, maybe some control can creep in or maybe we'll be like, I just like really care about this relationship. So I just want him to do X, Y and Z. And like, if he's not going to do it, I'm gonna get mad or like, you know, make a thing of it or whatever. And by no means am I saying just like, let your man get away with whatever. That's not what I'm saying. But I think it's just as you said, have your own life and your own things going on. Nurture your female friendships. Incredibly, incredibly important. Have a creative outlet, take care of yourself, nurturing. Like my man jokes and calls me the spa queen. It's like, you know, nurture yourself and your physical body. And like, my favorite way to do this is for the beauty rituals and, you know, getting, you know, beautiful treatments and diabetic treatments, things like that. But setting up your life so that it is so full, as you said, so well, that your partner is a compliment to you, that also really gives your man space and freedom to just be who he is and live. And he'll then be curious about what you're doing and want to be a part of that. And yes, absolutely, you know, have the date nights and nurture your relationship. But anytime you get this sense of something becoming like you, like, controlled or a chore, or like, kind of like grinding or forcing is just letting go, going, you know what? I'm forcing this. I'm going to step away and do my thing. And you will find things will naturally come around because if you're leaning really far in with things, naturally the other person's gonna probably pull back a little bit and lean out. It's just kind of this balance. It's a dance, isn't it? It's like. So I would just say without becoming distant or sacrificing your relationship or just like abandoning it. It's not that. It's just a subtle shift between, like, I'm going to focus all of my attention on this relationship versus I have this beautiful, incredible, full life. So if you know that, again, is magnetic and attractive, takes away pressure, takes away expectation, gives your man freedom. And that also does add to the polarity where it's like, if you're always at the front doorstep, you know, of the hunter that's wanting to, like, go out and catch the, you know, animal, and you, you're like, there. He's like, oh, I haven't really had a chance to kind of come and chase after you or lean in because you're like, always, always there. I feel like that's a good one. And then also just like, being aware of any patterns of mothering and control, for sure, that can be like the shadow feminine. And we. We don't want to do that because, you know, your man doesn't want to hook up with his mum. [00:42:05] Speaker B: Yeah, it is not a fun role. [00:42:07] Speaker C: It is not. So, yeah, it's like. But it's like, it's. I can see why it's hard not to, though, because, you know, it's all with best intentions. Yeah, it's. It's always with good intentions. It's not, you know, most of the time, is what I say. And it's also like, if you are a mother as well and you're used to being that energy, it's like just becoming more artful of how to switch gears. And I don't yet. I won't yet know how to speak to that, but I. I'll share my reflection very soon. We have to Do a part two. [00:42:45] Speaker B: Yes. And with that, I'm curious. I've been wanting to ask you about the goddess archetypes in terms of this because I feel that the goddesses really show us, like, different aspects of themselves. And it's not just. Yeah. This linear aspect when you. I've seen that you've gone to Egypt and you've been to India and you've been through these incredible temples, and I would love to know from your travels if there has been one goddess that you've really identified with or really felt activated by, like, in a. In a personal way and what that's felt like. And I wanted to know if that was part of your healing process as well, like connecting with those different feminine archetypes. And I feel that this time that we're in is really beautiful to speak to it because we're coming up to Navaratri and. Yeah, I'd love to know which. Putting you on the spot. I know there's so many beautiful goddesses. [00:44:05] Speaker C: Yeah. And there are so many, because there's so many expressions of the divine feminine across cultures and history and everything. And the beauty of archetypes is that each one of us has such an individual expression and relationship with them. So how I see working with archetypes so incredibly potent is that it shows us our unique beauty and power in our own way. And if we're resonating with specific archetypes, it means those qualities are alive in us already. So throughout my healing journey, that the healing was partially leaning into more of myself by referencing these archetypes. They're just these basically structures within the collective consciousness, and it's full permission to be like, all of the. You know, all of these deities are incredible. These archetypes are incredible. But what's really me, it's like, every flower is beautiful, but what's. What kind of flower am I. And celebrating our beauty in a unique way as opposed to trying to be somebody else. But how I've leant into archetypes as part of healing has been also really taking a look at. Okay. Which archetypes do I not resonate with? Or am I triggered by. Or am I avoiding? Or I can't connect with why? And getting really curious. Because the beauty of the feminine is she has many faces and she's multifaceted. And the healing came when I was like, I don't really resonate with Durga or Kali, these really, like, fierce, fierce archetypes. But then when I started to explore them, I realized, wow, no, not only do I resonate with them a lot. It's like I'd been suppressing those aspects of myself, ignoring them. And I act. I accessed and activated them when I needed to have confidence and power and courage in certain situations where I need to make some big changes and big decisions. And that's the beauty of this. You can just lean into the expression that's feeling relevant at the time for your stage of life. But I do feel that we each have a unique blueprint. Some people, you know, you see in India devote their entire life to one, you know, expression of the divine feminine, and really see the divine in that expression of the feminine. For me, I have a few that I have really cultivated relationships with and feel a resonance with. You mentioned some of my travels. I was really touched when I went to visit the Isis temple in Egypt, and that was really, really beautiful, because Isis is this Egyptian goddess who I really feel embodies that queen archetype and that she has this real leadership, but also spiritual power and protection and, you know, motherhood and all of these things, which is something I felt like I was stepping into more. And I went into one of these rooms in the temple, and I just. I was so attracted to this one room in the temple. I couldn't stay away from it for some reason. And I just sat in there for a really long time just on my own. And I was like, wow. There was this beautiful hieroglyph of Isis wrapping her wings around her consort. And the symbolism of that is this idea that the feminine protects her man in the emotional, spiritual, intuitive plane, like the upasna khand and the man. This is my interpretation of this and what I was experiencing. But I just saw this beautiful truth that the man can be dominating in the material realm, in the physical realm, but the woman has this deep, deep power of spiritual guidance and protection and nurturing and, you know, that emotional holding of a man. And, like, I saw that embodied in this hieroglyph and in this beautiful temple, and just the energy in the temple. And I was like, wow, that is so, so powerful. And I just really felt it was just quite something. You know, when you go to a spiritual site and you're like, okay, that was incredible. And they each have their own flavor. But I feel maybe more connected to that now that I'm pregnant, and I'm really feeling that a lot. But there have been times in my life when I was having this huge, like, healing my relationship with anger and, like, divine rage, where I just was, like, attracting all these Kali experiences. So they went to this Kali Temple. And, oh, it was like this fierce experience. And I had to really understand that I had to let out the volcano of rage before developing, like, a healthy relationship with anger that was contained but not suppressed. So there have been many. There have been many explorations with different. And I love to sort of witness these archetypes and all the women in my life. And it's hard to, like, unsee it when you see it as well. It's really fun. [00:50:22] Speaker B: I think that is so powerful, what you said about the protection of the man. Like, I just felt that so deeply when you were talking about that. Just like resonating, like, with deep truth. And it's really interesting what you're talking about with that expression of anger, because obviously Ayurveda, like, the. The body, mind, soul connection, and, you know, you go to the root of, like, the. The physical illness. And for a lot of women, it can be this suppressed, trapped emotion, rage. Because like you said, there hasn't been that healthy expression. Like, we're told to suppress it, especially women, because that isn't feminine. And that's. Yeah. And so looking at those archetypes kind of can give that permission to. To. To go there and to understand and not be afraid of that. So I. [00:51:27] Speaker C: Absolutely, absolutely. So much conditioning around anger that. Yeah, exactly. This. These ideas we're taught from when we're so young. No, be a good girl, you know. No, that's not. That's not ladylike. Don't do that. And we've had a lot to be angry about. So, yeah, if you suppress that. I've also seen this play out my own family of the feminine lineage of what suppressed rage can do in the body and how it can manifest physically, how it can manifest as other kind of emotions as well. Like, it kind of needs. We need to have a healthy outlet and. Oh, my God, I mean, I could do a whole podcast on this. But yeah, it's just like at first, when. Whenever I meet someone that says, I just never get angry. I'm not an angry person. I'm kind of like, yes, maybe because I used to say that. [00:52:35] Speaker B: Yes. [00:52:35] Speaker C: And I really identified with this identity of just. I'm so easygoing, I'm so calm. I never get angry. All of that, that's just good girl conditioning. And it's bs. We'll all get angry if there's a reason. There's something healthy about protective anger. It's showing us a message of something needs to change. [00:53:01] Speaker B: Yes. [00:53:02] Speaker C: It's. When we haven't dealt with our anger in a Healthy way or we don't have healthy ways to feel and express it is when it can rage like fire. We don't want that either. That's not healthy. We're not meant to be in a constant state of anger and battle. That doesn't work. That creates this us against them fighting thing can be a helpful messenger. But, yeah, when it first came out for me, I was like, whoa, I don't know how to deal with this because I was just pretending it didn't exist for my whole life. And I remember I'd be sitting in meditation. It felt like it was burning my skin, like it was so full on. And I learned a lot about that, but I love it. And it's like, no, no. If women are. Women aren't meant to be angry. It's like, no, look at Carly. She's like. Has a bunch of skulls around her, is bloodthirsty and cutting heads off, you know, like, yeah, that isn't there just by coincidence. You know, they know. And that's part of the various faces of the feminine. It's this pure divine rage of dismantling what is not right. Like, that's so powerful. [00:54:20] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah, that is so powerful. And I feel that that's. Again, coming back to that. We have, yeah. So much more power that we're. That we're capable of when it comes to that healthy aspect of the. The feminine. I would love to know how you navigate this, because I feel that we're recovering from this. This boss babe era, from this hustle culture. [00:54:54] Speaker A: And [00:54:56] Speaker B: yeah, I. I feel like the dynamics are shifting there. But how have you navigated? Like, would you. Would you say that you're ambitious in that way? Like, how. How have you managed because you have so many projects and businesses that you have created and what has your relationship and how. I'm interested to know how that's changed as your relationship with the divine feminine has changed. Did it go from, like, that hustle to now? How do you see your work flow? I'm just interested to know how you navigate that and what have been some of the biggest lessons that you've learned, like now and. And like, looking back on how maybe you used to operate and can see, like, the shortfall. [00:55:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I think this is something so many of us can relate to. Right. I'm. I'm wondering if it's maybe even as well as being a collective trend, maybe a stage of evolution, because I definitely was 100% in that hustle grind. Work really hard. I was on that train for a long time. And of course, that inevitably resulted in burnout and, you know, just fatigue and anxiety and health issues and an unsustainable way of being. Complete disconnection from my essence. [00:56:35] Speaker A: And [00:56:38] Speaker C: it's just no way to live or do anything. So I can relate to that. And that was when I was working on my first business. And, you know, things have changed a lot since then. Exactly in line with my relationship with myself, my health, my spiritual journey. And the more that I've embodied. Yeah. What I would call feminine power, the more that I've come really back to myself and what's important and what I truly desire in life, and the more I've become internally referenced as opposed to seeking external validation. I feel like we hear this a lot, like this pipeline, like, we go through, you know, hustle, grind, boss, babe, work hard, and then you're like, oh, that kind of sucks and doesn't work, and you burn out and get sick. And then we're like, oh, right, yeah, of course. And then wake up and change our life. And I would say I haven't gone so far as to. I will always be an ambitious person. I will always be creating. I will always have businesses. I will always have passions that will never go anywhere. But I also think that we need to recognize as women, there is time. There's a season for everything. And I think what was driving a lot of this hamster on a wheel activity is this idea that, you know, we have to get everything done, you know, in our 30s. Who. Who told us that? It's absolutely bizarre. So I was like, you know what? For this season, I'm actually going to take a total hiatus, which is what I'm doing now. Like, I'll take a break because I'm going to be a mum, and that's exciting. And I'm just going to be on that. And what a blessing to be able to do that and have that privilege and opportunity to do so and be able to be fully immersed in that. But for me, it's. It's crazy. Particularly as soon as I became pregnant, I was like, last thing I could think of is working. Which is bizarre because my whole life has been such a workhorse. I was like, wow, isn't this just interesting? I was like, I don't want to work at all. And that was hilarious to anyone that knows me. Even my husband's like, look at her. You know, she's cooking all these meals at home. And, you know, he's like, loves it. But he's known both versions of me as well, and I think that ultimately it just comes back to timing, seasons, balance. I think our problem is maybe a binary way of thinking like black and white, whereas life doesn't work like that. Life's in shades. That's what tantra is. It's shades and degrees and it's in the middle, you know, everything's the middle ground, the in between worlds. How can I still be creative and ambitious but work in a way that serves me? So I started with one eleven health. I was really doing things in a very, very different way to I'd done in the past, which is prioritizing my own health and embodiment and spiritual evolution and flowing with nature, making decisions intuitively and not overworking or anything like that, nothing like that, but just recognizing that the best decisions come from a place of stillness where you are working on your mind and your body. You're going to be doing higher quality work, greater output, the 80, 20 rule, as opposed to crazy hours. But what are you actually achieving in that time? Like is that just busy work? Yeah. So I think it's just fine tuning my consciousness through like, like 10 years and now of twice daily meditation. It's like fine tuning the instrument to make. Yeah. Do better work in shorter amount of time. And I can only imagine that that journey will continue to evolve, experiencing what it's like to be a mother and do that and what that feels like. But I think with women, I've had so many conversations with friends which are like this pressure to do it all and be it all. What if we can do it all and have it all but just not all at the one time. [01:01:27] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that that's really powerful that you have consciously chosen that as well in terms of you, you acknowledge, yes, I am ambitious, but this is my season for this and, and being in that season. And I think like you said, a lot of the time women have that pressure where they feel like they have to be in. In both. And that's where that pressure cooker energy really comes from. And I see a lot of that destabilization happening and becoming lost in. Yeah. What, what is the path forward? So I love that you have given yourself permission to do that. I think it's really powerful. [01:02:13] Speaker C: Yeah. And I think we, I think for some women, if they can do that easily, naturally and they love it, that's fantastic. I think it's where we feel pressure externally because let's face it, we can do anything. We don't have to prove that we can do absolutely anything. But it's like what do we want to do. Yeah. What are we going to enjoy? [01:02:33] Speaker B: Yeah, like that is the question that we're not asking ourselves. Because I have recently gone through [01:02:42] Speaker C: like [01:02:42] Speaker B: coming out of corporate, changing my identity and I had that really built up around and you know, with my close girlfriends, they were just, they'd always see me as this really ambitious person and when I started to like lean back [01:02:57] Speaker C: a bit, [01:03:00] Speaker B: it was, yeah, I didn't know how to experience that. And they're like, oh, just, just follow your bliss. And I was like, what? I was like, what do you mean? How do you do that in the, like the next thing that feels good in alignment, like do that. And I started doing that path and I really thought it was such a [01:03:25] Speaker C: reckless way to live. How do I do what I want to do? [01:03:29] Speaker B: Yeah, but then that's where the magnetism, that's where the aligned opportunities come. And I really had, like you said, I think everyone gets to that point where they're like, oh, I have been maybe living out of alignment in terms of thinking that's what I wanted because it's been, you know, shown to me in that certain way. But then when you get it or you get to that place, you're like, oh, that actually wasn't it. And I think it's really such a powerful thing that you've said about, you know, knowing, asking those questions. And I think that self reflection, we're not giving ourselves that time and space, you know, because of all the distractions. We're not sitting there and going, actually let me self reflect. Where do I actually want to give my energy? Because that is the most important resource that I have. And so, yeah, just following, following the next best thing. [01:04:32] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:04:33] Speaker C: And it's hilarious, isn't it? It's like, wait, what do I want to do? It's actually that simple. Like, do what you actually want to do. Yes. Makes me laugh all the time. But it's sort of like I shared this piece of content recently which is about queen energy. Like this really sums it up. It's like, can the queen mop the floors of the castle? Yeah, sure. She's, she can do it. Like, of course she can do it. That's just, that's not the question. It's. Should she be doing that though? Does she want to do that? Is that the best use of her time? Is that the highest expression of her gifts? Probably not. Maybe she should delegate that to, to someone that would like to do that, do that for her. [01:05:17] Speaker B: That does sum it up. [01:05:18] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:19] Speaker B: I always ask my guests And I'm very excited to hear answer around what your beauty philosophy is and how you see the aging process and what your experience with it has been in terms of. [01:05:41] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:05:41] Speaker B: From that empowering lens and. Yeah. Any challenges that you've experienced as well. Wow. [01:05:50] Speaker C: It's such a beautiful and big question. I'm like, there's so much to be said on this topic and it's been, it's been a long journey for me with landing on truth with that. Ultimately, beauty is entirely subjective. But when we're talking about our physical beauty, it's the highest expression of ourselves, the most beautiful, alive, you know, vibrant version of us not trying to fit into a mold, coming back to the archetypes of different deities, the best version of us. And, and beauty is basically the printout from my perspective of really wonderful health and being in balance. And there are all sorts of. Yeah, there are things you can inject and there are creams and all these things. But really what's going to give you that radiance, longevity. And beauty is the holistic embodiment of health. And that's everything that we've been talking about. It's physical health, nourishing our body like a temple. It's a really right relationship with ourselves, living in alignment, good relationships, having a lifestyle that's life supporting, not life draining or self sabotaging. All those things are incredibly important. I know that I've had friends comment to me that they think that I've aged in reverse because I'm in a happy relationship. And I think that's the most underestimated beauty hack is being happy and in love and being so much in our sensual power and having love flowing through our life. It's like, yeah, I've had that said to me that it's like edging reverse because of that. Whereas try being like any toxic work environment or relationship or whatever. Very draining for your beauty. Yes. So that's, that's my philosophy. And I live that every single day, you know, with everything I do, with what I eat and the rituals I do and everything. It's, it's, it's everything. Because if we are in good health, we don't have our health, we have nothing, we cannot do anything. We're in good health, good state of mind, sharp consciousness, that's an invaluable instrument that can do anything. And same when it comes to beauty. And also just embracing your unique characteristics, what's the most beautiful thing about you? Really run with that. Rather than getting into comparison of like, you know, we can Appreciate all these other expressions of beauty. It's not going to take away from our own. We need to embrace what's beautiful about us. [01:09:08] Speaker B: I love that answer. I just have two more questions. I'd be amiss if I didn't ask you what. I know this is going to be hard to narrow it down to one, but what is your favorite ayurvedic beauty tip or like ritual that you love? [01:09:31] Speaker C: I think, I mean, it's so hard to know. I know, I know I would struggle. [01:09:39] Speaker B: I don't know what else I. [01:09:41] Speaker C: The thing that I just think is the most beautiful and luxurious and just it's everything is receiving an abhyanga massage, the ayurvedical massage. I mean, this is something I do on myself a lot. It's fantastic for your lymphatic system detox, as you know, for your skin, for your nervous system. The benefits are immense. Also receiving one from a beautiful practitioner is just. I had one the other day and I felt like I was floating on a cloud. I was like, oh my God, I feel like the queen in the temple that is just getting pampered. And I. Yeah, that's one of my favorites. But I think in terms of the most useful thing, the number one non negotiable that I will never go another day without, and I haven't for the last 10 years, is my twice daily meditation practice. That is everything. Because if we are releasing stress from the system, we are keeping our cortisol level slow. Cortisol, of course, is extremely aging and it also leads to like gaining fat and all these like, it's very aging. So it will make sense for us to do anything that is going to calm our nervous system and meditation. I have to say I've met long term meditators and they are looking like 10 to 20 years younger than they are. [01:11:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:11:20] Speaker C: So they are my inspiration. [01:11:21] Speaker B: I agree with you. Yes. One last question. I would love to know what you're looking forward to most about this next season that you're embarking on. [01:11:33] Speaker C: Well, I think I'm just, I mean, I'm looking forward to the massive upgrade that is around the corner from stepping into mother from maiden and everything that goes along with that. Expanding an even greater capacity for love. Like getting to experience a love that people say is indescribable and is so immense. I'm like, wow, I can't wait to experience that. Beautiful. [01:12:13] Speaker B: Thank you so much, Cassandra. I've absolutely loved this conversation and, and speaking to you. I feel, yeah, I could speak to you for so long. So thank you so much. [01:12:25] Speaker C: Thank you. Likewise. I really loved a chat, so thank you. [01:12:29] Speaker A: Thanks for tuning in to Star Being. May the wisdom shared resonate in your soul. Until next time, stay connected and keep [01:12:37] Speaker B: reaching for the stars. [01:12:39] Speaker A: This is Star Being signing off.