THE BIOLOGY OF HOME | How Your Space Shapes Your Health, Mood and Mind with Triin-Liis Treial

[00:00:03] Speaker A: Welcome to Star Being. I'm Tara, your guide. Blending the wisdom of the stars, philosophy and soul centered conversation. Here we question, remember and reconnect with the stars, with self, with true being. I hope these conversations ignite within you, resonance, awakening and a deeper knowing. Together we open to more truth, more magic, more you. Welcome to this episode. The biology of how your space shapes your health, mood and mind. This is a conversation that has been coming up in every area of my life lately. And so of course I want to bring it here and into this space with you. And I see Star Being as a place of inquiry and a place where we can have this collective remembering. And so I trust that whatever is coming up for me, sharing it with you may shift something and spark something for you. So a conversation that has been circling back to me is, if healing begins in the body, why do so many of us feel unwell in the places that are meant to restore us? And why do our homes, the places we sleep, breathe, create mother rest, leave us feeling foggy, inflamed, overstimulated, and just off? In Ayurveda, which is the science of life, this ancient science actually says that if healing isn't happening, we must look to the home. And this is why, within the Vedas, there is a particular sacred knowledge known as vatsu srasana, which is, I don't. [00:02:09] Speaker B: Want to boil it down to this. [00:02:11] Speaker A: But it is the feng shui elements of. Of the home. But it goes a lot deeper than that. And so then we look at modern science and it says 75% of disease is environmental. And I think in 2025, we are finally beginning to see just how true. [00:02:34] Speaker B: Both of those are. [00:02:36] Speaker A: And so in today's episode, we move into the subtle, the invisible, the architecture of our spaces, the biology of the home. We talk about the mould we don't see, the EMFs that are deregulating us, the metals that are slowly building in our tissues, the light that shapes our hormones and the air, the water, and the objects we assume are safe simply because they're common. So this is an episode about the environment as destiny and, you know, within the walls around us, shaping our clarity, our mood, our hormones, our sleep, our spiritual conn. Connection even. And so I really want this episode, like all episodes of starving, to be empowering. Because a woman who understands her home becomes a woman who understands her health. And I truly believe this. And a woman who understands her health becomes radically sovereign. And so I'm excited to introduce you to Trin, Liz. I have personally worked with Trin Liz twice and it has been very eye opening and I feel yeah just excited to to bring her to you but also this field of knowledge. Trin Liz is a certified building biologist and well accredited professional. This credential signifies knowledge in human health and wellness, the built environment. Trinlis helps people create healthier homes and workplaces through practical science based solutions. For more than nine years she has consulted on mold, moisture, materials, ventilation and electromagnetic fields guiding families, builders and businesses towards safer and more sustainable spaces. She is also the co founder of Chameleon San Candle, a premium plant based candle company redefining luxury and sustainability in the events and hospitality world. I hope you enjoy this episode and I hope that you have so many takeaways from it and it really gets you thinking about how you can craft your space and just how important it is. As always, if you love this episode please leave me a rating and a review. This is really how star being gets gets more reach. So thank you and enjoy. [00:05:30] Speaker B: Welcome Trin Liz, I'm so happy to have this conversation with you. I was actually recommended by a friend to you and your work and it's fascinated me for a long time. And so you had my previous house and my current house so we'll go into that I'm sure. But I would love if you could first introduce yourself and yeah, tell us a little bit about your work. [00:05:59] Speaker C: Well, thank you for having me. I've been in a building policy for nine years. I never, I went to study in Melbourne back in 2011. I bought the book by Nicole Bellsma. It just intrigued me so much and I was like, oh, you can actually study this thing stuff. So I flew back and forth to Melbourne many, many times. That took me three years to do the advanced diploma and I was the first one who started practicing building biology in Western Australia. I was actually pushed by her, the founder of the college and she was telling me that you never be ready, you just have to make a start and you learn while you actually practice. And by no means I was ready back in 201617 when I started, but that's how it started and I did it part time, still keeping to my government job as a safety net like you do. And it took maybe three or four years until I fully committed to the building biology. So the question what building biology is? It's all to do with a built environment. So how anything in a built environment affects human health, starting from how we build and design and what we bring into the home and how we behave as occupants in the building. [00:07:15] Speaker B: So what was the inspiration for you to. That captivated you with that. [00:07:20] Speaker C: I was just. As I mentioned, I read the book and I was furious. Like, why isn't everyone talking about this? Why didn't I know that the tap water is not the best water to drink? Why I wasn't aware. And that was the trigger for me to dig deeper and just understand. And obviously, the first maybe six months you go into the journey, you find out those things and you want to yell to the world that guys, stop doing this. That's not right. But I found that more I learned, the better I'm able to actually help people and explain it better. More I understand myself. So that was the trigger. But it was a personal interest at first. It wasn't definitely a plan to start the business. It was just for my own knowledge and understanding about the environment we live in. [00:08:10] Speaker B: And then you thought, I need to share this. Everyone needs to know about this. Yeah. [00:08:15] Speaker A: Amazing. [00:08:16] Speaker B: So in aa, we have a system called Vatsu, which is part of the. The Vedic text. And it is the. The science of space, pretty much. And in this science it says if we aren't. If healing isn't happening on an Ayurvedic like a. Which Ayurveda is the science of life. It's an Indian healing modality. If that's not happening, it's often because of the home we live in and how we see the space. It shapes our body, it shapes our mind and our spirit. And I don't hear this spoken about, so I know you've touched a little bit about that. But how from your lens in human home biology, how does this space impact our health? [00:09:12] Speaker C: It's interesting you asked because I've got no deep understanding how ayura works. But from the building biology perspective, home is our third skin. We've got our skin, then we got clothes. That's considered second skin. And home is actually considered our third skin. And it's interesting that, like, we take care of our skin, we look like, choose our clothing really well, but really quite often overlook the home and the space we spend so much time. So there are different aspects, obviously, like the physical aspect, like what are the materials you might be breathing in, some toxic gases, you know, paints and furnishing electromagnetic fields definitely affect the. Your health. And the water you're drinking from the tap, if it's not filtered. And probably from the mind perspective, that's more towards the feng shui part, not necessarily building biology, but the clutter, how cluttered your space is, whether you believe it or not. I Find it's direct connection there. It does affect your mind and how well you're able to think and operate and work in a space or whatever you're doing in the space. So people have piles of things around them and you know, think it's, it's not gonna have an impact, but I think it has massive impact. Like way we actually operate in a space and like energetically as well. When you clean your house, it feels lighter, it feels better. You feel better even if you don't understand anything about building biology, Just little things like that. [00:10:45] Speaker B: Yes. And I was recently reading and I pulled this fact out that the WHO is who we're aware of, the World Health Organization says that 75% of diseases. [00:11:00] Speaker A: Are linked to environmental factors. [00:11:03] Speaker B: If you've heard that before. And so, so like why do people still feel like off in their homes? Like, yeah, like what are these hidden things that you're Speaking about? The EMFs, the mold, the heavy metals, the poor quality air. How is that really affecting us over time? Those things that you mentioned? [00:11:27] Speaker C: It's interesting because most people would relate the pollution with outdoor air. You think that outdoor air is contaminated, but in fact your indoor air is most quite often more contaminated than outdoor air. These are studies, There are studies about that. That's a shocking truth that many people would never consider because they think that their home must be good for them. But different things, mold. But mold is never an issue. Underlying moisture is the issue. That's your roof leaks, leaking pipes, too many people in a small space, too much humidity from cooking, cleaning, all those kinds of things. And obviously poor building practices, not enough, not proper waterproofing and things like that. And as I said, mold is not an issue. Moisture is the issue. Mold is everywhere. Mold is nature's greatest decomposer. It's meant to be there. It's meant to be there to do its job. But when you introduce moisture, obviously it's starting to grow. And you don't want it to grow in the house you live in because it will start eating your house. Put it this way, all the different materials and obviously depending on the type of mold as well, some are more toxic than others. And in general you want to have some similar type of mold. What you see in the environment around your home, in the house, and similar or lower level of the mould in the house as well. If we see much higher level of mold and you compare the outside environment, then it's an issue. It's a different type. So that's mold emfs, that's a Funny thing as well, people call me because they're worried about the mobile tower next to the property. But in fact, what they bring into the house, all the gadgets, your computers, laptops, mobile phones, smartwatches, robot vacuums, you name it, light bulbs, everything is WI fi these days. That is much worse, much stronger fields than the tower. And that's the, I think, number one aha moment for many people. Like, oh, I would never have thought that that's actually much stronger signal compared to what's coming from that tower. [00:13:35] Speaker A: Yes. [00:13:35] Speaker B: And what I find fascinating about that is because that's something that you can visually see. So all these other types of invisible forces really that you just become complacent of. You're like, if it's invisible, then how. How can it be affecting me? But then like actually seeing like a tower and then. Yeah, understanding that it's greater than that, that there is exactly. [00:14:00] Speaker C: Like even baby monitors could be worse than the towers. So people don't realize that. Yeah, so that's a really interesting one. But yeah, different. Like heavy metals from the water source, heavy metals from the old pipes, heavy metal from. Even when you renovate the whole old homes, Lead paints still an issue. Indoor air quality, as I mentioned, all the furnishings we bring in, we buy brand new furnishing and you know, the new furniture smell, a new carpet smell that's vocal is off gassing. And if you're not, you know, ventilating your house, which what many people don't do, I find it really fascinating. I'm from Europe originally and it's natural for me to keep all the windows open even in the winter, just fresh air. But here I find it's not the case quite often. And people bring in all those different items into the home and they will be off gassing for months and months and months. And you don't see it. Yes, you probably smell it. People are familiar with the smell, but they don't think it's an issue or such a big issue. [00:14:59] Speaker B: Yes. And it's so interesting you should bring that up because in Vatsu, so more of the Indian feng shui, they say a healthy home is a home that breathes. That's the underlining factor. And so you saying that is. Yeah, there's so many similarities there. Like how. [00:15:18] Speaker C: Well, that's very interesting. Yeah. Like modern homes are built like what call it like plastic bag. So it's all, you know, green homes and all this green movement. That's green washing is. That's another topic we got collected deep into. But homes that don't breed. So hence we've got so many issues with mold issues in Western Australia. You think it's a beautiful climate, Warm, a lot of sun, dry most of the air. But way homes are built these days, they just don't breathe. Meaning that lots of condensation, like the vapor, moisture doesn't. Can't get anywhere. And if you don't open your windows because it's all, you know, energy efficient, then it, you know, that's the issue there, the way we build our homes and, you know, and then you introduce those furnishings and paint your walls and it's like all beautiful, toxic cocktail. You're living in there and breathing it in daily. [00:16:12] Speaker B: Yes. And I think I've heard of it before, termed as, and I don't know if you use this term, but the off gassing. The off gassing of the natural or the new furniture. [00:16:24] Speaker C: Yeah. And it could take months. It depends on item, obviously as well. And. But I was. After renovations, I've done air sampling. Six months after they painted the walls, still really high levels of VSAs, which was really surprising to me as well. Like they've actually ventilated quite well. [00:16:41] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:41] Speaker C: Six months in and they're still. Still. It's picking it up. Yeah. [00:16:45] Speaker B: Yeah, that is. That is so fascinating to know, coming back to mold, because this is something that I feel like it's getting more. People are understanding more of the health impacts and I. It's very interesting how you've spoken about mold because I've never heard someone talk about it like that before. So actually having, you know, like not a positive spin on it, but you're saying, like it's there for a reason. So it's just the conditions that have created it that are, you know, that we need to be aware of. So it can be one of those invisible things that we spoke about. But why does, why does it show up and how can it affect our health? Like, what are. Do you know, some of the symptoms that we can look out for because it can be an underlining health factor. [00:17:39] Speaker C: Why does it show up? Like I discussed before, it's mold. It in itself is not an issue. It's everywhere. Most poles, they're tiny. You can't see them with a naked eye, so it's everywhere. But as soon as you've got a moisture issue and in 48 hours, usually it starts to grow. So if you have any leaks happening, anything overflowing, kids in a bathroom, you know, splashing, all this things happen. And in 48 hours, if you leave the Moisture there. Mold usually starts to grow because pores are everywhere. Even if you clean really well. But nobody cleans daily. And you know that's in a hospital environment probably. But in average normal home you have spores everywhere. And as soon as you have moisture issue, that that's the problem. Like people don't understand this. It's really important to get to the root cause of the issue. And everyone wants to clean up the mould. How do I clean up the mold? Well, you do if it's there, but you need to go back to what's actually causing it. And if you're not fixing your roof, if there's still, you know, water dripping through, you had roof leak maybe 10 years ago, you did nothing with it. Maybe in six months later it got retiled. But the old insulation is still there, meaning that it's highly likely to be contaminated. And there's so many exposure routes to the roof space, into the living environment and things like that. So that's why we've got mold issue. Because there are usually some water incidents or other aspect is how we actually live in a space when it's apartment and it's too many people in one space, then it's an issue as well because we breathe out moisture all the time. Washing, cooking, cleaning. If you wash your floors all the time, some cultures wash and cook more like many Asian cultures, they cook a lot. Yes, lots of steam being created, big families there. So constant moisture in the air. And if you don't deal with this, then that's the reason why I've got mold because there's too much moisture. So you need to use dehumidifiers and you know, actually ventilate your space. But health aspects are different to each people. There is 24% of the population, she doesn't develop antibodies for mold. So if you're one of them, you probably know you react every time you walk, walk into the water damaged building because you feel bad straight away and you usually react in different ways. But many people like within past nine years, it takes a very long time to people actually to connect the dots to actually to come to understanding that ah, that's the reason I feel sick and you know, let's even not go there. But majority of the doctors have no idea. They don't understand the issue and they try to diminish it. They think it's in their head. I've seen so many people who've been told by the doctors not to one not to name or shame anyone the industry. But unfortunately that's the reality. And they've been told that, oh, you love it. You're making it up. It's your head. It's psychological, you know, and even in the family circle, husband doesn't understand because they don't experience those symptoms. [00:20:46] Speaker A: Yes. [00:20:46] Speaker C: Doesn't understand. Friends doesn't understand. And then this poor person is left by him or herself just to deal with it until somebody comes in and explains that. Yes. That's an actual, real thing. [00:20:58] Speaker B: Yes. [00:20:59] Speaker C: Brain fog. Yeah. Nausea. Skin. Skin symptoms. Different. Different symptoms depending how sensitive people are. And it's usually a combination of different things. I find that once they're reacting to one like mold, they usually react to emf. They might be sensitive to chemicals as well. So it tends to be like, multiple players there. It's really hard to pinpoint what's the actual root cause until you start, you know, peeling. Peeling back layers and remove this. This item from their mind, deal with this item, deal with this. And then you start reintroducing things by, like, one by one. And then you probably understand what's the. What's the cost. Yeah. [00:21:41] Speaker B: And that's why I feel this work is. Is really important, because visually, we might not be able to see that there's mold behind that wall. And like you said, if someone in the family isn't sensitive and someone's highly sensitive and then thinking it's all in their head. And so I think, yeah, for me, like, learning about this, it's been important to. [00:22:09] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:22:10] Speaker B: Have that checked and have that knowledge of doing that, because you don't know what you don't know. So I think that's really important. And I've only recently heard this. I don't know if you have heard this or know about it, but. [00:22:27] Speaker A: I. [00:22:28] Speaker B: Read that they're finding out that you. If you have mold exposure in the home, the EMF can amplify the mold. Have you ever heard that? [00:22:40] Speaker C: Not as such, but as I said, they're probably like the different, like, combination. Like most clients I see, they usually have different players, like, different things affecting them, which is a shame, because they call me in from one thing, and they're not ready to hear the harsh reality about EMFs, which most people are not, because they just too hard. [00:23:01] Speaker B: People are not ready for that conversation. [00:23:04] Speaker C: And it's really, really, really hard for me because I know I can see the router is next to their bed, and, like, I'm there to deal with the mold. Yes. All right. Mold is the part of the picture, but how do I know that's not the Root cause. [00:23:16] Speaker B: Yes, yes, yes. So this conversation is so good. I wanted to talk to you about heavy metals. So like aluminium are becoming more linked to things like Alzheimer's. Like. Like a heavy metal overload in the body. How do these toxins sort of build up over time. Thinking about the environment that we're in our home, how does that impact or how is like our water quality impacting that for one. And how can we protect ourselves? Is that where you see most of like the heavy metal exposure in the home from? [00:23:59] Speaker C: Not. Not the only border is obviously massive source but potential massive let's put it. But everything is potential. You know, until there's something you don't know. [00:24:07] Speaker B: Yes. [00:24:08] Speaker C: Guessing I very careful with this. But also your food like fish. Mercury in the food in the fish. Aluminium foils, you know foil what you use for cooking. [00:24:20] Speaker B: Yes. [00:24:21] Speaker C: If you use anything that like acidic foods especially I would avoid anything aluminum and nonstick cookware. That's a big source. And obviously dust and the environment like depending which area you live in. When you're close to any like environment environmental where I'm looking for any commercial sites or any manufacturing that might pollute there. So that's a route of exposure there as well. And lead in when the environment. Which is really interesting because we got rid of the lead in the petrol years ago. But where did it go? Do you think it's gone from there? No, it's still there. All the sides of the roads would still have them. And if you start digging or building and when your property was next to the heavy traffic routes, lead is still there on the soil and now you start digging, now you start building and you actually disturbing it and voila, it's there. If you bring it in that's an exposure something people would never consider because we know lead has been banned. It's not an issue anymore. So that's a really interesting one. Yeah. [00:25:27] Speaker B: Yes. And do you have any thoughts on. [00:25:31] Speaker C: Sort of the. [00:25:34] Speaker B: Like golf courses and. And things like that as well from. [00:25:38] Speaker C: That versus heavy pesticides like. Yeah. If you're looking for to buy a property or rent a property, stay away from golf course. [00:25:47] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:25:48] Speaker C: Because yeah they. They spray a lot all the time obviously to keep it maintained. And it depends on the wind direction as well. And if you live down downwind from the golf course you constantly exposed. But that's mostly pesticides. Yeah. But what to do? Water obviously filtration, like water filter. Filter. It's not the luxury. It's a basic necessity these days I think like the environment we live in Especially in Australia, we have fluoride in the water as well, which only some countries in the world fluoridate. Not everyone fluoridates, which is another shocking thing. People think that that's what, like that's how it's done globally. [00:26:26] Speaker B: Yes. [00:26:27] Speaker C: But it's not. It's very far from the truth. Yeah. So for the filtration is definitely, I think one of the key things too. But obviously, as I said, staying away from aluminum foils and choosing your cookware and like even deodorants, like aluminum is in deodorants as well. What goes into your body, not only through the water, but through the, you know, personal care products, your food, cleaning products and your cooking. [00:26:57] Speaker B: Yes. I'm seeing become popular now is a lot of. Or that awareness, I feel like is coming more out. I've seen like a lot of companies now doing water filters for the shower and the baths and things like that because, you know. Yes. I think we're starting to think about the, the tap water as, you know, we, we need to be filtering that. But it's only starting to go. Okay, can we also do like, you can go like more extensive like a hot. Like a home filtration system and things like that if you. Because I think it's so important. [00:27:34] Speaker C: Oh, 100. And like you said. I'm glad you brought it up because I forgot. Yeah. Shower, definitely. Because, you know, that's the, you know, if you've got chlorine in the water and it's. If you use a. Using a hot water, chloramine gas, it's what's usually perform and you're breathing it in. That could be really toxic as well. Depends how hot your shower is. That's something people don't realize. You know, it's. It's not only the drinking water, but actually it's because it's. Your skin is your biggest organ. Right. And everything gets absorbed. So that's the root of exposure as well. [00:28:05] Speaker B: Yes. [00:28:06] Speaker C: But there's so much greenwashing around all those topics as well. And like what I find really frustrating, so many businesses out there promoting saying all wild things about the filters and you know. Yeah. You need to be able to look through the marketing and actually see what does the filter do. Not, don't. Not, you know, flashy headlines. We do this video that. What's the filter? [00:28:30] Speaker B: Actually that's why I always get my recommendations from you because I know, I know that it's going to be legit. [00:28:40] Speaker C: Quite often, it's funny, quite often the most like the. More like really, really expensive, really fancy options. There are not the best ones. You can get decently priced filter and it doesn't need to cost that much. And that's the perception. Many people have that, oh, I don't have budget for this. Like, it's not that expensive. And that's like. If you see your water filter, after six months, you see the cartridge, you see how dirty it looks. Yes, that would have gone through you. So if you're not filtering, there's a thing. If you're not filtering, then you become a filter. Your body is a filter, which is you. I think. Yeah, I think you just. I probably just need to show people that. So that's your system in six months and. Yes, that should be convincing. [00:29:21] Speaker B: Yes. And when you can visually see that, then people get it. [00:29:25] Speaker C: Exactly. [00:29:26] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:29:27] Speaker C: You know, you think you live in Australia, you got to clean water. It's, you know, you would, you would, yeah, you wouldn't second guess it. [00:29:35] Speaker A: We. [00:29:35] Speaker B: I've been, I've really wanted to ask you this question. We have so much artificial light now, and this has been coming into my awareness a lot, obviously with our screens, with what happened with fluorescent light, that, that movement. How does this modern lighting system that we have now, how is that disrupting our natural rhythm and the melatonin, our cortisol levels and our energy and our mood, and how is that impacting our overall health? And what do you do about it? [00:30:13] Speaker C: I love this question. How many hours do we have? Well, obviously your body is natural circuit and rhythm, but you wake up with the sun in an ideal world and you go and lay down when the sun is setting. But these days, everything artificial, not only our overhead lighting, but even street lighting, your car lights, your fridge lights, People talk about screens. It's not just screens, but any source of lighting in the home is emitting blue light. And blue light is something that does block melatonin, reduces melatonin production. So. Meaning that in the evening when the sun is setting and your body is getting ready to, you know, going into rest mode, you know, starting to produce melatonin, reducing cortisol levels, but you're exposed to this blue light in every corner of your home, not just screens. That was really fascinating for me when I realized, oh, we only talk about screens, blue light, laptops, your tv, but you completely forget what's in your ceiling. And even you read in the bed, your bedside lamps, things like that. Blue light does reduce melatonin production, but so do radio frequencies in general. So it's another multiple players like this is yeah, this topic is not very straightforward and that's why I think many people get really confused because it's hard to understand when I say that everyone, everything has an impact. Blue light does reduce melatonin, but so does radio frequencies. Meaning that yes, you need to filter your blue light, but obviously you need to reduce your radio frequency exposure as well. So what do I do? I'm like a crazy person. You should see this. But in the sun we do have light bulbs. We've changed the light bulbs all across the home. So we do have like the amber lights in the, like the office and I think most of the house and where we do have a red lights, which is even like the best nighttime light in the walking room and in the bedroom. So it feels like a portal. Sometimes you walk into your walking room or the white light there and really interesting. You're really. It's really hard in the beginning. You find it really dark. Like even I'm washing my teeth in the evening, it's really dark in the bathroom. Yes, yes, yes. But you get used to it. My husband wasn't really happy when we changed the rules across the house, but that's how it is. So lights, you know, change whenever the sun sets, the lights change and they're light bulbs these days. You can change them like one light bulb and you just go flick the switch and it changes from the day regime to the night one. So it's really. You don't need separate laptops. [00:32:58] Speaker B: So you have that regime that you've. [00:33:00] Speaker C: Exactly, you just change it and it's so easy. And again, people think you have to, you know, do some crazy modification in your home. But no, it's just a matter of changing the light. [00:33:10] Speaker B: I need that because I've got the red light in the bedroom. But you need something. That does sound odd, doesn't it? [00:33:17] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. [00:33:18] Speaker B: But yeah, in the restaurant, rest of the home, like that is something that. Yeah, I definitely want to change because yeah, I notice like when you go from that red light and if I, for example, turned on the other lights, it's really jarring. And then you notice how much it does start to calm, like your nervous system. [00:33:40] Speaker C: I feel that red light and it's interesting. I don't think I fully realized it's such a contrast. Contrast. Before you actually lived in this space for months and months and your body got used to the rhythm. And then I go to visit somebody in the evening and I actually develop headache quite often because so bright lighting and obviously lots of radiation around me as well. And I go home. [00:34:03] Speaker B: Strange. [00:34:05] Speaker C: Yeah. And like very strong, you know, headache feeling behind eyes especially. But yeah, glasses, like blue light blocking glasses go on as well. Sun is setting, light bulbs change glasses on. And the sleep mask is the other thing that was a huge game changer living in Kalamanda. I thought we don't have, you know, too much artificial lighting around us. You don't again, you don't realize until you use a mask like a proper light blocking sleep mask. And that's a non negotiable for me as well. So. And huge difference in sleep quality. [00:34:39] Speaker B: Yes, yes. Those are really great tips. And for someone that is in more of a corporate setting where they don't have much ability, the fluorescent lights, so many screens, like what's your advice there glasses? [00:34:56] Speaker C: Probably just wear blue light. And there are daytime classes as well. Some people have, when they work on the computer long hours at a time, they again develop headaches and like strong migraines. Somebody had just come to me and they, you can have different, different glasses. Daytime ones are not the really strong orange ones, they're more yellow. [00:35:18] Speaker B: Oh yes, yes, you've seen them. [00:35:20] Speaker C: So you can use them. And that actually filters some of the blue light as well, so making it less straining for the eyes. And that's what I've heard people comment on as well. They feel much better when they have to work 8, 10 hours in the environment. Obviously it's not gonna be because your body is actually affected by everything. So you're blocking your eyes, you're covering your eyes with those glasses but your. [00:35:42] Speaker B: Body is still, still absorbing it. [00:35:44] Speaker C: Yeah. And you're still in the environment. So there is not, you know, much you can do if you're forced to work in this place. Probably taking breaks, going outside, trying to ground yourself by grounding, I mean taking your shoes off and actually walking on a grass if possible or going on the sand or you know, swimming in the ocean and stuff like that. [00:36:04] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:36:05] Speaker C: Just taking breaks and giving your body ability to, you know, rest in between those long, long hours, I guess. [00:36:12] Speaker B: Yes. Have you ever looked into. This is very old school but I've been looking into it recently about the oil lamps because I've heard that they have massive like health benefits like burning like an oil, which is not something that you would find. Now has that ever come up more of that incandescent, more like candle light like for on that nervous system. [00:36:39] Speaker C: Probably because the light would be closer to the natural candlelight. Like the candlelight is your, your benchmark, if you will. You know, like when I vision what's the ideal lighting in evening? Candlelight. So probably yeah, I haven't looked into. [00:36:53] Speaker B: Them but it's interesting probably fascinating when we're spending long hours indoors and we're in front of our devices as yeah, obviously we don't want to be doing that but what simple shifts could you do that is going to support that hormonal balance and that support sleep like wearing the glasses. Is there any other tools that we can do? Is there any like you know how you can get those device or like the warm light on the screen. Do you prescribe to any of that? [00:37:32] Speaker C: Absolutely. Every phone I think these days has to be inbuilt filters already. Yeah. And for your computer you can draw different apps, you can just download and you can choose your settings. There's what I what I use at daytime is called health settings. So it does, you know, change the screen color a little bit. But later in the evening I, I. There's biohacker mode as well. That changes the screen. Oh that's very, very dark. It's almost dark screen with orangey writing. So it feels like you're wearing your glasses all the time. So there are different settings for the different tasks. Tasks I guess and what you want to achieve and different people react to different settings differently as well. I find it really hard to be able to work on this biohacker setting. It's too dark for me. [00:38:19] Speaker A: Yes. [00:38:20] Speaker C: But whereas my husband loves it, he's turning it on every evening and he has no issues with that. [00:38:26] Speaker B: It's interesting because I've heard like as a hack to reduce your screen time is to correct put the phone on like a grayscale because the dopamine is like lowered from using that. So yeah it's interesting like how if we're too stimulated like yeah. How we can start like weaning ourselves. [00:38:46] Speaker C: Oh, that's another addiction to the phone. That's another topic. Like I've got, I've disabled all the notifications, even my messages. I have to go into the message message and see if somebody messaged me because I that changed. That was really helpful as well. You don't have those any pings and you know sounds going on and you're not triggered all the time. And obviously my phone tends to be on airplane mode. I know a bit I'm not normal from that sense. My phone is on the airplane mode and I use a landline phone in the office as well. [00:39:19] Speaker B: I love that bring bring back these oats school. You know that those phones now you see them all in photo shoots and that. Like, I feel like the, their time is coming back. [00:39:31] Speaker C: It's really hard to find them. Same with the wired mouse. That's another thing like in the office. [00:39:36] Speaker A: Yes. [00:39:37] Speaker C: So what you, what you can do not only the blue light by producing radio frequencies. Right. Keyboard, wired keyboard, wired mouse, wired everything. Printers. Yeah. And it's really hard to find wired mouse these days. [00:39:49] Speaker B: It is really. I actually have a wired mouse and I. My husband laughs at me but I'm like, not only is it reliable, but it is. [00:39:58] Speaker C: Batteries never die. It's always connected. It always. But why maybe 10 of them? Because I'm not sure how, you know. [00:40:04] Speaker B: Long they're going to be around. [00:40:05] Speaker C: That's my fear. Yeah. [00:40:06] Speaker B: And this is my other win lately has been I go on about this on my social media, but wired headphones and how important that is rather than the wireless. And I feel like they're having a comeback moment now. I saw like in Vogue there was a, there was a big article about how it's now cool to wear the wired headphones. And I was like, yes. Can we bring back the old school phones, like all these, like back to the analog. Like let's. [00:40:40] Speaker C: Yeah, but just you've probably seen those retro handsets as well. You can control. Connect to your phone. It looks like really old school. Like you're holding the greens and different colors. [00:40:49] Speaker A: Yes. [00:40:50] Speaker C: And some I'm seeing some celebrity photos. Like they're like, you know, showing it off. It's something that's trending now. Like. Yes, but yeah, definitely, like using how you use your phone. We're jumping from different one topic to another. But how you use your phone never against your head because it's close to your brain through that, direct directly to your, you know, air canal to your brain. Not to mention even those, those earplugs that, you know, constant wiring and people usually wear them all day long. Which is why what I find really disturbing, like with normal headphones, you just put them on while you're listening something. But those wireless ones tend to be on all day long to put them on in the morning and maybe when you get back home then you take them off. [00:41:33] Speaker B: Yes. [00:41:33] Speaker C: And it never stops. It's constantly looking for a signal and it's frying your brain. And video with this, it's. Oh, gosh. I was born in 82, like the environment I grew in. I got my first mobile phone, I was 19, I think there weren't any at that time. But babies these days, they're exposed to this environment from the early stages in the mother's womb and then come to this world. They're surrounded. They've given phones when they're, I don't know, two years old. Yeah, that's shocking. But the brain, like the phones and their phones, brain cancers take about 20, 25 years to develop. And thinking back when we actually started using those technologies, and that's something like the mainstream media and the medical doctors really don't want to talk about it because there's no proof that there's connection. But it takes a long time to actually see the connection there. And specific types of brain cancers, glioma and acoustic neuroma, are directly linked to the mobile phone. Use the radio frequencies. And, you know, when you started using your phones, maybe like I was 18, now 43. So 20 years. So only now we are starting to see those brain cancers to show up. Yes, because that's why we don't have enough data. And people say we don't have enough data about 5G. We don't have enough data about how it affects children. But who would do the study on children exposing them to higher frequencies? Nobody would do that. So that's why we don't have data. But that doesn't mean it's safe to use. Yeah, there's so much more misinformation out there. And it's, you know, just put, you know, radio frequency into the search. Search window and see what comes up. Most. It's. Most of it is very controlled afflicting for normal people. And even being in this sector for nine years, like, even I find it really hard to keep up with everything that's constantly changing. All the new gadgets that, you know, come to the market and how they actually work and, you know. [00:43:42] Speaker B: Yes, yes, it is. Yeah, like, quiet. It can be quite overwhelming, like you say. And there's so many things to continue consider. And I say this to my husband a lot of the time because he'll, you know, I just go on my feeling, but he'll be like, where's the science behind this? And I'm like, yeah, it takes too long for that to come out. Like, I'm just gonna go on, like, how this feels for me, because I don't want to wait for the science to catch up to this. So I think that's something to keep in mind. [00:44:12] Speaker C: Oh, absolutely. And, you know, precautionary principle is something that we should be, you know, using. If you look at those issues, we, you know, tobacco, lay it, asbestos. We do have examples from the very, you know, close history but for some reason, as a site, we choose to ignore those lessons and we do it all over again. [00:44:31] Speaker B: You know, do you think it's the convenience that we're ignoring it 100%? [00:44:36] Speaker C: If you walk into the home, you've got five teenagers, everyone is glued to the phone. What do you think? How, how, how is the poor mother able to even change this? If, you know, if the kids have been able to use the gadgets from the very early days, it's really hard. And obviously, you know, as an adult as well, it's inconvenient to hardwire things. I've got cables running from my office to my living room because the TV needs to be hardwired and we've got nothing wireless there. Obviously the wifi, the modem is there. If we need to use it, we can easily, you know, which is done for the moment, then do whatever needs to be done. But it's obviously it's inconvenient and changing your habits. Yes, that's the big thing. I think many people are just, it's too hard. You need to rethink how you operate daily, how you manage your gadgets and time. [00:45:28] Speaker B: Yes, I think that's a really important point that you brought up because, yes, with, you know, we need the Internet a lot, you know, and then like, what are the options? Like you just mentioned, there's hard wiring option that we can do and then, you know, switching off the WI fi at night, if that's a possibility. All these, like, little things there. [00:45:51] Speaker C: There are so many things. And I'm not against technology. I'm very, you know, I, I study AI and I'm all about, you know, yeah, making it's there to make our life easy. I use it daily. And then, you know, I'm not against something. People think that you're crazy building biologist, you're against technology. You're wearing your foil, tin foil, whatever. You know, that's the picture we've been painting quite often. But yeah, there are ways, like easy ways. Like when you build your home, I think that's the ideal solution. You start building your plan accordingly. You run your cables so you would have the data point in every single room. So you can easily sit in the living room and use a hardwire connection to that data point. Or if you need a laptop in the bedroom for some reason, then there's a data point there as well. Or in a bathroom or toilet, wherever you need to use a toilet. So it starts from there, obviously, in ideal world, but realistically it's not done this Way So just switching off your WI fi like you mentioned in naming or using timers. That's because people forget. And the easy to use timer just maybe, I don't know, 10pm every night it just turns itself off. And your mobile phones on airplane mode. Like we do have a rule at home. Like my mobile is on airplane mode most of the time but after like 7 or 8pm all the phones have to be on mobile. Mobile phone on airplane mode. Yes. And nobody can call us and people. So people are quite annoyed with us quite often. Like we can never reach you. Like. Yes, that on purpose. Yes. Because first of all that's our, you know, evening for family time. We need some peace and quiet. And secondly, you know, I don't want to be exposed to the additional radio frequencies in my like downtime. [00:47:29] Speaker B: This is, this is my goals. This is your inspiration to me. [00:47:34] Speaker C: You know that's an ideal. Obviously doesn't happen every day but you know, most of the time I'm really. Because that's the only environment I can control. I've got no control, you know, or. [00:47:42] Speaker B: Anything around you when you go out. Yeah, and that's, and that's important and I think like this conversation and that's really my intention behind it is to bring the awareness to it because all these little things like you say they can add up and so how we can not become fanatical about it. We can change and control what we can control. But it's this knowledge and this awareness that I think is really important to have. [00:48:12] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah. But going back to the studies, it takes time. But there are studies, they're not necessarily studies about 5G because you know, nobody has. And that's other funny thing, people claim that, oh, we don't know it's harmful because there are no studies. Of course there's no studies, you know, but there are studies from starting from 70s. There's so much data coming from Russia and from Europe and from Sweden. There are really good scientists there from 70s. There are so many peer reviewed studies that have proven that there are issues with the rate of frequencies and they do affect human health in very different way that you know, all the, you know, government agencies try and convince us. So there are studies but most people or most, you know, government agencies choose not to look at them. [00:49:00] Speaker B: Yes. [00:49:01] Speaker C: Yeah. Which is really sad. And that's why it's, it gets confusing for everyday user because our panzer says that we are in the guidelines. It's not over the limited guideline limits. It's underneath what exposure Rates should be. But in reality those standards, they're not health based standards. There's massive gap that's actually healthy, considered healthy from the building biology perspective. And what are the standards actually tell or claim that's healthy. And that's the thing that like whenever there is an issue, somebody starts to talk about the topic it's pointed back to. Yeah, but it's within the standards. It's all good. But you need to go back that those standards were developed in 98. We have had some updates, I think 2020, but it's still based on the fact that unless you know, it's, it's not. Unless it's heating it's tissue in a short period of time, it's not an issue. But we know that with radio frequencies it's a long time exposure and quite often low level exposure. Like in your home you've got WI fi in the corner and you're there all the time, like 10, 20, 30 years. That kind of exposure and that exposure takes decades. And those health issues might take decades to develop. Yes. [00:50:22] Speaker B: And this is why I think I don't want to preempt this but I, I see this being like a issue like coming into in the future with like. Yeah. All these unseen things that we just, yeah. Are not wanting to have these conversations around. But yeah, even heating up the, the tissue that you mentioned with that radio frequencies. I think of, of you know, looking at it more from an Ayurvedic lens. I think of the brain and I think of you know, heating up the brain and that obviously losing moisture. Losing moisture like leading to dementia, Alzheimer's. Like it's just like. And you know, we're looking at the, the science now growing. There's an increase in these things and there's like, you could see this like correlation but no one's wanting to go. [00:51:14] Speaker A: You know. [00:51:17] Speaker C: Start talking politics. You know, why those standards that develop like the consulting, telecommunications industry, that's how these got developed obviously. And because they need to be able to sell their products. Yeah, that's, that's their harsh reality. Yes. Again like you start peeling back the layers, it's like an onion. And then you only start understanding. All right, it's actually coming from there. That's how we got our standards. That's how everyone is claiming. It's like inside the standard. It's not about allowed limits. But it couldn't be further from the truth. But actually what's actually affecting you and we're just ignoring certain data. And it's also interesting fact that I think 70% of the studies that are funded by the industry, by telecommunications industry, find that there are no issues. But about 30%, you know, the rest, they always find something is wrong. So there's a like huge difference who's actually funding the studies and what's being found. And not all studies get published as well. So that's, that's an interesting one. [00:52:20] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:21] Speaker C: So we choose like cherry pick what we want to show and you know, base our, you know, conclusions on those studies that we just, you know. [00:52:30] Speaker B: Yes, I like it's a, a follow the money thing there. I remember the very first subject at university that I studied with my marketing degree was on statistics. And I learned in that class that you can make any data from the same stats. And in that moment I just realized like from that, from a marketing lens how you could manipulate anything. And then I just started to see the whole like, you know, you seen between the lines of how easy it is to manipulate data or exclude certain things or present it a certain way. And that is. [00:53:14] Speaker C: Yeah. Yes. And your average person doesn't necessarily fact check or just, you know, doesn't bother digging deeper. Yeah. And just unfortunately tends to believe what's, you know, put in front presented. [00:53:29] Speaker A: If star being has ignited something inside you, a spark, a remembering, a shift, I would love your support in helping this work ripple out further. Here's how you can help. 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Like technology, like we covered just before, like it's, it's there because the industry wants to sell it to you. They don't care if it's safe, you know, and if the safety standards are being developed in consultation with the same industry. That sells you the product, like how safe do you think it is? So it's up to us as a consumer to actually understand what's actually safe or not. If you're talking about chemicals, that's really interesting topic as well because chemicals are usually assessed by single chemical, but they're never assessed. Like how do different chemicals work together or what impact do they have together? And the Chemical Abstract service registry in US they release 15,000 new chemicals in every day. So 15,000 new chemicals are being released every day. Who has the time to evaluate all of them or make sure they are safe to use in certain consumer products or in, you know, what combination with different chemicals? So there's really, even though you do find research about different chemicals, but it's really rare that you see anything that actually compares how different chemicals in one product may actually work together. [00:56:12] Speaker B: Interact. [00:56:13] Speaker C: Interact, exactly. So that's a really interesting one. And you know, many chemicals, they're not allowed to be imported into Australia, but as a chemical, but in the consumer products, it's fine, nobody cares. So that's why that's a really big thing that people would buy things and think that surely somebody has, you know, there's some, some, you know, safeguards around it. But it's unfortunately so far from the truth. So it falls back to the consumer to actually do the research. Yeah, yeah. Which is really hard to understand. Like, well what, why would I want to buy this? Why do I need to have a degree in chemistry to be able to understand this? Because normal person, if you read the label, you need a chemical degree to be able to understand it. Or you go to Chachi. [00:56:56] Speaker B: Oh yes, that's a good idea. Great use of AI. [00:56:59] Speaker C: Take a photo these days. Just tell me if it's safe or not. But that probably works. So yeah, yeah, that's a good hack to do. Yeah, that's something. But I, I, I used to read all the labels like years ago, but I've given up. I just find the brands I know I can trust, I just buy them too hard and you know, I went even supermarket, I just avoid all those shelves, all the cleaning products and personal grab products, I wouldn't go near them. So yeah, really hard to find something that's actually good quality and doesn't have something nasty. [00:57:31] Speaker B: Yes, it's really interesting that you should bring up the cleaning products because this is quite a big one. I wish that I'd got this start, but I was reading something about the increase of someone that uses cleaning products. The, the lung quality that they had. How it decreases. Like using that just cleaning products weekly. And that really shocked me because. [00:58:04] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:58:04] Speaker B: That is something that. Yes. You're using all the time and you have that, you know, that exposure. [00:58:10] Speaker A: Yes. [00:58:12] Speaker C: I think there was a study, women usually are more exposed because the cleaner. [00:58:16] Speaker B: Yes. [00:58:16] Speaker C: Clean more. Yeah, that's why. Yeah. And obviously if you do it like professionally, though, that's like professional cleaners. It's. That's why I ask about occupations when I do home audit. Like, I want to see, like, I'm not there. I'm there to assess the home. But if you work as a cleaner, let's say, and you're exposed to those harsh chemicals in your workspace, your home might be fine, but you're exposed in the workplace space, constantly breathing it in and going back to the magnetic fields. You're wearing this, you know, backpack vacuum cleaner. It's against your back, against your guineas, against your different organs. And I had a family friend who actually developed a cancer, and he was a lifelong cleaner. He had had their own business and he was carrying the backpack vacuum cleaner on his back for many, many, many, many years. Might be a coincidence, but I. Yeah, I'm not convinced it's a coincidence, but, yeah, cleaning products, coming back to this, definitely. And honestly, though, interesting. When you start looking into the label, you got like 10 different products on the shelf. Glass cleaner, floor cleaner, but the ingredients mostly the same. It's a matter of concentrations. And you know, it's. Again, it's marketing because obviously being a good housewife, you need a window cleaner, you need a carpet cleaner, unity. So that. [00:59:34] Speaker B: So. [00:59:34] Speaker C: And, you know, you feel good when you buy specific products, but in like, in reality, most of them have same stuff in the bottle. It's just, you know, sold different. [00:59:44] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:45] Speaker B: And that's fascinating because when you switch to the clean, the clean products, it's normally like, oh, this does everything, this one. [00:59:54] Speaker C: You can use it. [00:59:55] Speaker B: And I'm like, oh, okay. Easy, easy. [00:59:57] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. And you really don't know, you know, microfiber cloths. Cloths and vinegars and, you know, essential oils and, you know, bicarb soda. Very basic. And that's all you really need. Yeah. Nothing fancy. [01:00:10] Speaker B: Speaking about cleaning, one thing that you did pick up when you. With the home order was Robo vacuum cleaner. Is that what you call them? [01:00:22] Speaker C: Robot? I think, yeah. Robots, yeah. [01:00:25] Speaker B: The EMF exposure that was coming off, that blew my mind. And I don't think a lot of people will be aware of just how much that is creating. [01:00:40] Speaker C: Sitting there in the corner, silently doing its Thing and quite often you can't actually switch them off. That's the problem with it these days. All the new TVs as well issue we have at home at the moment, new tv. But you can't go. And you know, you, you manually go into settings, you think you're turning it off, but it's because I've got my meter. Right. And normal person wouldn't have the meter, but I'm able to see it's still emitting radio frequencies even though I've changed the settings and digging deeper. Only way to get rid of it, just open up the TV and get rid of the, the chip. So transmitter in the tv which is, you know, something you actually want to do because all the warranty and stuff like that. And same with your robots as well. Quite often you actually, even if you change the settings, it's still emitting which you, you're not aware of as an everyday person unless you have a tool to measure it. Which is really sad and really, you know, that's, Yeah, I, I, you know, sometimes I feel like more. I know just like, can I just go back to 10 years ago when I knew nothing? It would be so much easier. Easier. Yes, so much easier. [01:01:45] Speaker A: Ignorance. [01:01:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:47] Speaker C: Just use everything and do everything I want. [01:01:49] Speaker B: But yes. And so when you do this home audit, that is one of the things that you do. You go around with your meter, what it, what is it called specifically? [01:01:59] Speaker C: The frequency meter or the frequency. [01:02:01] Speaker B: Yes. And so you check all the devices, you check the, the WI fi and you come back with a reading of what level that is and what is. [01:02:13] Speaker C: Health based. [01:02:13] Speaker B: Health based. Yeah. [01:02:15] Speaker C: Because as I said before, mostly people are worried about what they see outside. Yes. And that's the reason, like, oh, I want you to come and measure the exposure from this tower. And then you walk in and the house is full of everything. Robots are one decent, like even. But light bulbs, even smart. You know, everything is smart these days. Like smart watches and your health watch, which you think which is tracking your sleep. Oh, that's. [01:02:40] Speaker B: Oh, oh, tell me. Go, go off on that. I want you to speak about that. [01:02:45] Speaker C: That makes me cringe like so bad. People think they're like monitoring their sleep quality whereas they're wearing a gadget that's a meeting. Constantly meeting, searching for a signal, obviously. And it's on your wrist, you're sleeping, probably your hand close to your head, your brain. And yes, it's tracking your sleep quality. But you know, at the same time it's reducing your melatonin production. You Know, meaning that your cortisol is still up in the evening when you're trying to sleep. So. Yeah. [01:03:17] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [01:03:19] Speaker A: Just know, don't do it. [01:03:23] Speaker C: Definite no. And those rings as well? Oh yes, some rings I think a bit better because you can actually only turn it on when you sync the data. So it still collects the data through the skin, I think. [01:03:37] Speaker B: Yes. [01:03:37] Speaker C: And you can just, you know, sync it while you sync the data. So that. But does anyone do that? I think most people do, but that's the way you can still use them. And smartwatch is same thing. I guess you just, you know, turn it on. [01:03:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I just like the old school. I will just check in to see how I'm feeling and I don't need to monitor everything but I like old school things like that. I wanted to ask you about shoes, about bringing the shoes into the. Into the home. Like what is your thoughts on that? Why is it important to, I'm guessing to not bring the shoes into the home? [01:04:19] Speaker C: How would you guess? Well, yeah, I'm from Estonia originally and nobody in Estonia wear shoes in the home. Mostly because of the climate as well because it's wet and dirty and it's common sense that you take off your shoes. When I moved to Australia 18, 19 years ago, I was shocked to see that people walk into the home and into the bedroom with the same shoes. They've been walking around all day in different parks where they spray pesticides across the streets when there are like heavy metals, you know, dogs and you know, poo and the bacteria and all kinds of things, mold, spores, pollen, you name it, it's there. And you, you walk into the home and it sticks to a shoe and you walk into a bedroom and you think that's fine. So leaving your shoes at the door is just basic common sense to me. And just that that's like again, like many things in building village is very easy solution. You don't need to invest heaps amount of money. You create better environment just by leaving your shoes at the door or having designated indoor shoes. If you really have to wear shoes in the home. Yes, that's a solution. Some people can't live without their shoes and they like really need something. So that's a solution there so definite. [01:05:36] Speaker B: No perfect. When it comes to candles or air fresheners, I think this is a big one. Or scented oils or these can be like toxic. How do the fragrance And I see this is another conversation that people don't want to go into about fragrance because we all love our fragrance. But just how toxic is it and what are some alternatives to what we can do? [01:06:06] Speaker C: The word fragrance in itself could mean anything because obviously it's a trade secret quite often. And they, the manufacturers don't need to, to include what's actually in the fragrance. That could be like hundreds of different chemicals in one fragrance. So you as a consumer most of the time have no, no idea or understanding what's actually in the fragrance. So that's by default. I would stay away from anything that contains artificial fragrances just because of that. Because you have no idea of understanding what's actually being used. And they're not, you know, they don't have to disclose this because of the trade secrets. But phthalates and. Yeah, air fresheners, candles, anything, all the perfumes, all the personal care products, most of them, if you start looking at the labels, you see fragrances in most of them. Cleaning products, fragrance. Why do you need fragrance in the cleaning product? Because everyone wants their home to smell nice, right? Yes. But yeah, they're big irritants like nose and throat and lungs and even the skin irritants. Some are really toxic and, you know, can cause some skin rashes and stuff like that. But going back to the candles, candles have like multiple, if they. Paraffin candles. The paraffin is crude oil. It's coming from crude oil. Right. And it's, it's a part of the refining process. So they can't actually use the oil with the wax component in it. So the wax is being separated from the oil. So that's, you got, that's how you get the paraffin wax. And that was just a waste product at some stage and they needed to find a use case for it. So that's why we have paraffin everywhere. It's very cheap. Most candles on the mainstream, you know, shelves are paraffin based. But the thing is, crude oil, it's coming from the earth. Again, you can call it natural as well, but is it really. It has a benzene and toluene in it. So while you're using your paraffin candles, you actually, and you're burning it, you're breathing in benzene and toluene. Then if we add some colorants, that's another thing. Very toxic. And then you have some fragrances and then you get this beautiful, beautifully designed candle or, you know. Yeah. In the living room and you're burning in and you never open the windows because it's winter. It's nice and cozy. You want to have this cozy environment and you, you're operating it in any time you Burn any candles, fragrances, you should actually open your windows, ventilate the space. Yes. Most people don't do that. [01:08:39] Speaker B: Yes. Oh, that's such a big one. [01:08:42] Speaker C: Yeah. And you know, just understanding where things actually, actually originate from and like in one product there's not only a fragrance, could be like many different things that have like. And how do you know? Like how those things. Three different things like paraffin oil, candle dyes and fragrances. How. Exactly. Yeah. And if you're a person that loves your candles or fragrances or whatever and you burn them daily over 10, 20 years, what's the result of this? [01:09:09] Speaker B: Yes. [01:09:10] Speaker C: And you know, it's not the instant all the time. Many if you're sensitive then, you know, and they think these are the people we should really listen to, the ones are sensitive who are reacting to everything. [01:09:20] Speaker B: Yes. The canaries in the coal mines and. [01:09:23] Speaker C: Usually it's funny those, because I've heard doctors say that these people never get like any serious health issues because they know how to avoid those things and remove them from themselves from the environment, whereas everyone else blissfully unaware and just there at being exposed. Exposed to different. Different things for long period of time. [01:09:46] Speaker B: Yes. [01:09:46] Speaker C: Without you know, even understanding the awareness of it. Yeah. [01:09:50] Speaker B: I think about this often when I see a, A car with one of those air freshener things hanging down in the. [01:09:59] Speaker C: On the. Or like the air. Like the fragrances. Even the garbage bags. Like what? [01:10:05] Speaker B: All the scented garbage. [01:10:06] Speaker C: Garbage bags. Like garbage is meant to take. You have to take it out. You know, it just can open your window. You know, don't need to send your garbage bag. [01:10:15] Speaker B: It's interesting. A lot of the what we've spoken about, it's, it's, it's removing. Not necessarily like needing to add anything like it's like, you know, just like that. Common sense. Removing. Thinking about it. [01:10:30] Speaker C: Exactly. Like with fragrances you people think you have to mask and the only thing that fragrance does is mask the issue. If your rubbish is still there, if your, you know, whatever is there, that's the source of the, the smell, get rid of it. Clean your home and don't mask it with a fragrance. And thinking that that's, that's a solution. [01:10:50] Speaker B: Yes. Could you share some examples of subtle shifts in the home that completely change the energy or health or well being. And if, I don't know if you can speak about any client cases that you've had or. [01:11:05] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:06] Speaker B: What is the biggest. [01:11:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:11:09] Speaker B: Example or subtle shift. It's hard to like tangibly like put. [01:11:13] Speaker C: Your finger on it in My nine years. It's always. It's a journey. Most people are on a very long journey. Like when I go in, usually they're on the first. On the first place and they're still only starting to figure out what's actually going on. And it's usually many, many years. And I not necessarily don't hear back from them after five years that you'd be. Changed everything. But obviously there are some cases, like without naming any names, obviously. I had a client, she had a son. He was diagnosed with a brain cancer when he was three. I was called in to do a mold audit and EMFs. I think that was part of it as well. But in the questionnaire she didn't really mention anything. But then we started talking and like what she actually did when she was pregnant, she thought that it's a nice thing to play classical music for the unborn child. She had the phone, mobile phone on her belly throughout the nine months. When the son was born, she was playing the music next to his head. Then they had baby monitor next to the head. And he was diagnosed with a brain cancer when he was three. Could be a coincidence, but like I highly, you know, I think there is a very strong correlation. So that might be triggering it. And once she, like, she wasn't even aware of that. That, that's maybe that's the connection there because she, you know, just wanted to understand. Three years old, hasn't had any real like exposure. What's, what's. Yes. What's the factor here? Yes. And once we had this discussion, still obviously broke ground, started crying like, oh, such a bad mom. I did this. It's all my fault. It's really, it's really hard job sometimes. And I feel like I need a degree in psychology to be able to deal with those people. Yeah. And mentally, you know, and obviously not taking this on board as well. I need to keep a distance between the client's story and, you know, my life. Otherwise it would be really, really hard. But subtle shifts. [01:13:13] Speaker B: It's. [01:13:13] Speaker C: I think probably from that awareness that maybe that's a trigger here. I think she completely changed the way she lived. Everything got hardwired next day and she went all in. Like all in. You know, everything removed all the, all the speakers, like all the fancy like gadgets she had in the house. Like, nope, everything is going tomorrow. [01:13:35] Speaker B: Wow. [01:13:36] Speaker C: So that's, I think the most outstanding and really, like, mentally hard case. [01:13:41] Speaker B: Yeah. That really left a impression. Yeah, definitely. [01:13:45] Speaker C: And I've had somebody who was in her 20s living in a tent Outside because she wasn't able to walk into the house. She reacted straight away. Different issues going on. Wireless stuff and chemicals and. Yeah. Other bits and pieces. But she was so sick and you know, walking in there and she's there in a tent, living in a tent and that's where she spends her time. That's really crushing. And you don't, you know, people make fun of those things, but these are really real life examples that people really struggling and like basic things we take for granted, like being able to sleep in your bedroom, in your bed, being able to shower in your bathroom. Like, like video. She had to do it everything. Like she had I think the water hose in a garden basically. And that was her shower. So it's really. And she, she ended up moving away from the Western Australia altogether. I'm not sure where she ended up. Probably Northern Territory where it's. Mold was an issue there big time as well. Yeah. So subtle shift. It's sort of like I usually remember the really big ones. But. [01:14:51] Speaker B: Yes. And like you said, because it is usually something that is accumulative. So yes, there could be that initial like relief like removing something from the environment. But I, I would assume that it might take like a while for like that detox process, that removal of whatever. [01:15:11] Speaker C: Thing like I mentioned. It's. I don't see the change straight away. And so many people are really hopeful that they do one thing. They got the building biologist and then they do the mold remediation and that's gonna fix everything. It's only part of the picture. They need to work with the naturopath, their doctors and you know, it's a holistic journey. You can't just, just fix one part of it. And it usually takes a long time depending, you know, personal circumstances. [01:15:38] Speaker B: And, and so is this. The majority of your clients you see is like they've, they're at this, this point where they've tried everything and you, you're coming, they've contacted you because they're at their, at the end of their journey and they don't know what else to do. Like nothing else is working. [01:16:00] Speaker C: Probably. Yes, I would say probably 80%. Then there are some like yourself, really proactive and I've had few of them who are like usually when they're young children involved. [01:16:11] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:16:11] Speaker C: Then the mother all of a sudden is very interested to learn all those things and they get me involved before because they're healthy, nothing's gone wrong yet. So that's the time when they actually start to question things and want to know about chemicals, I want to know about this or that. But majority, unfortunately, yes. And that's, you know, it's directly because how the doctors are trained, they're not properly trained in environmental health. They don't have the understanding, they have very limited. I've even heard doctors say that water quality doesn't play a role in the human health. Like obviously it does. And not even to mention that the environment has a huge impact how we feel. Yes. And you need to address the mold and moisture and everything and not to just blindly ignore them. So I think it comes down to the. How doctors are helping people are not or not helping them or not understanding how they need to be helped. [01:17:04] Speaker B: Yes. [01:17:05] Speaker C: And then there are only very, very, you know, short, very small number of doctors in Western Australia who understand it. And are those clients actually finding those right doctors? It might be a long journey that they've seen five gps. Then finally they find them, you know, integrated GP that, that may be helping them. Then they find the naturopath who maybe know something about mold. And then they end up, you know, meeting me and then all of a sudden it comes together and I'm always only there to, you know, fix one part of the issue. But they obviously need to keep working on their health with the doctor and. [01:17:41] Speaker A: Yes. [01:17:42] Speaker C: Yeah. So that's why I'm like, it's really hard, you know, it's. It's rewarding to be able to shine the light and actually connect the dots. And so many people have seen like, oh, thank you, I'm not picking up. You're the first person who makes me feel normal. [01:17:57] Speaker B: Yeah. On that acknowledgement. Exactly. [01:18:00] Speaker C: And that's so rewarding. That's a reason I still do it. But other times it's really, mentally, really heavy because you see all those scenarios and quite often even the family dynamics, like, the wife is sick, maybe the kid is sick, but the husband blindly refuses to believe it. Blindly reviews, refuses to understand anything I say. [01:18:20] Speaker B: Yes. [01:18:20] Speaker C: And, you know, you can feel the energy going into the home. You can see there is a strong conflict in the house. [01:18:25] Speaker B: Yes. [01:18:26] Speaker C: And I have to work in this environment, try to, you know, see what the dynamics. Exactly. And then you present the information and then you quite. I've had situations when the female is coming back to me, like, I'm so sorry, my husband, he's not willing to do anything. He's not willing to spend any money. Is there any, like, very simple solutions I can do on my own and like what you say to that? If you got moldy mattress needs to get replaced. [01:18:51] Speaker A: Yes. [01:18:53] Speaker C: These are the people who need the help most that usually quite often don't have the funds to do that. And that's the heavy part of it as well. [01:19:01] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:19:02] Speaker C: So I find, like, more. Yeah. And usually these are the people who need everything. [01:19:06] Speaker A: Yes. [01:19:07] Speaker B: And this is why I think it's important to have this conversation and bring light onto. [01:19:12] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:19:13] Speaker B: That this is a. To me, how I see it, this is a preventative health measure. As in, like, it's in it. Yes, it's an investment. Like, that's how I see investment in my health. Like, this is how I want to know what I, you know, you don't know what you don't know. [01:19:29] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:19:29] Speaker B: So I think. Yeah. [01:19:31] Speaker C: Your. [01:19:32] Speaker B: Yeah. Your work is just so important. [01:19:34] Speaker C: Yeah. Investment. Like you want to live a long life, but you want to live a healthy, like, healthy life. Yes. I don't want to just exist when I'm 85. [01:19:43] Speaker B: Quality. [01:19:44] Speaker C: Exactly. And that's directly related what you do when you're in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. If you only start, you know, looking into the. Into those things when you're 65, maybe it's too late. Yes. [01:19:56] Speaker B: Yes. What are some aspects of home health and invisible environmental stress that people overlook that we haven't spoken about many new. [01:20:09] Speaker C: Furnishings quite often even, like. [01:20:12] Speaker B: So natural fibers would be best. [01:20:14] Speaker C: Oh, definitely. Yeah. Anything natural that hasn't been treated or, you know, without any harsh chemicals. And even, like, paints. And when you choose or, you know, renovating your house, how you choose your, you know, paints. [01:20:25] Speaker B: And the paints is a big one because, like, I struggled to get this one over the line with. With my husband. It's. But there's specific paints that you can get now that don't have, like the. The smell. [01:20:40] Speaker C: Yeah. That are low. [01:20:42] Speaker B: Yes, yes. [01:20:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:20:43] Speaker B: So there is alternative. [01:20:44] Speaker C: There are. And I think more. More and more are coming out as well because, like, in general, I think public awareness is. Is there and people are getting more curious or, you know, it's being spoken more. Definitely. [01:20:56] Speaker B: Yes. And that is what I want to do. [01:20:58] Speaker C: But again, like I said, unfortunately, all the good things tend to be much more expensive. And unfortunately, many people just can't afford or can't justify them. Because what I found the most important thing when building biology, people don't think ahead. Like, even the house, when they built the house. Is it worth investing couple of extra thousand dollars to properly waterproof my bathroom? Not with the liquid paint, the waterproofing, but actually use the sheet waterproofing that has life expectancy 20 years compared to 7 years to your liquid waterproofing, is it worth doing it or not? People don't think so much ahead because it's easier, more convenient, cheaper. You know, everything needs to be built really quickly these days. And that's the thing I see a lot. And like we need within a couple of years the waterproofing is, you know, it's not working properly, you know, it wasn't installed properly and you just, you do those, go with those short term solutions without realizing it's going to cost you more, much more throughout the lifetime. Yeah. The lifetime of your house you live in. Yes. Whereas if you spend or take more time, build slowly, take more time, spend more in the areas that are really important, your wet areas, your roofing, your double glazing is something you rarely see as well, obviously cost and people can justify that. But then again you need to use less, you know, heating, cooling, all these things. [01:22:28] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:22:28] Speaker C: And it's like there are so many things that if you did right from the, from the beginning it would save you headache and finances and just makes your life so much easier. [01:22:40] Speaker B: Yes. [01:22:41] Speaker C: That's a missing link I find. And people want everything, everything now and very cheap. [01:22:45] Speaker B: Yes. Is that something that you do help people with or you have in the past so they come to you and say, is there any recommendations that I need to consider when I'm doing this? [01:22:55] Speaker C: Yeah, definitely, because I've worked with many clients who actually are in the building stage and they work with the architects and building designer helping them do it. Depends. Sometimes they have their floor plans ready already, then they send me the plans and have a look, maybe software, a few things around. But again, like as I said, like all the good solutions tend to cost a lot of money and that's quite often the issue because people can justify or they have certain budget for certain things. So there is, I think you just have to choose your battles with these things. We don't live in an ideal world. Just choose few things that are really important to you and do them really well and maybe, you know, let other things. [01:23:36] Speaker B: And I found that with your advice, like working with you, you have a really grounded approach as in, you know, you're like this, do this, this. If you can do this. [01:23:47] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:23:47] Speaker B: It's not like all or nothing. [01:23:50] Speaker C: I think it's not realistic. That's how you scare people off and people feel that it's too hard. I don't want to even try. I go there when they see the report, like, oh, overwhelming. I rather not do anything but you know, have to make it. Break it down to the bits and pieces and make it realistic as well. Start from a bedroom, do one room at a time. Don't try to fix everything. [01:24:12] Speaker B: Yes. [01:24:13] Speaker C: If it's all very new to people, freak out, oh, I need to get the water filter, then I need to do this, this, this. And you know, I've got all those cleaning products I just bought last month. I've got all these personal care products I need to replace everything. Don't do that. Just. Just one thing at the time. Yes. When you need to buy a new mascara. Buy a new mascara, do a research on that. You know, going step by step and like within few years, most of the things are, you know, in a much better condition, I guess. [01:24:42] Speaker B: Yes, definitely. That's how I did the. The plastics in the home. Like, I just. This was many years ago now and I just had this intention. I wanted to get rid of all plastic and only have glass. And then. Yeah, it was just this process, like. And then nothing that comes in the home now. [01:24:59] Speaker C: Exactly. [01:25:00] Speaker B: Is. Is that. And yeah, yeah. [01:25:03] Speaker C: It's so hard and hard to justify your family as well when you're about to throw out all your plastics at once. [01:25:10] Speaker B: Yes, it is. [01:25:12] Speaker C: Yeah. But yeah, plastics, if you like, maybe you asked about, like, hidden things. Plastics are actually like the food containers. Not only delicious chemicals when you heat them, obviously, in microwave, but if you freeze them as well in the freezer. So plastic tends to break down to microplastics. So when it's sitting in the freezer and you're reusing it all over again and washing it and the plastic's degrading and microplastics get into a food. So that's maybe something we didn't touch on before. Yes. [01:25:43] Speaker A: Oh, perfect. [01:25:44] Speaker C: I'm glad that came out. So glass or stainless steel? Definitely. I would never put anything in the microwave. I wouldn't use microwave at all. But yeah, if you have to use it, then, yeah, glass or ceramics. And freezing is a big thing, which again, I think many people just don't. [01:25:59] Speaker B: Realize, really think about. [01:26:00] Speaker C: Yes. You buy food from the stores, it's all packed in the plastics. You know, different. [01:26:05] Speaker B: Yes. [01:26:06] Speaker C: Oh, for. [01:26:09] Speaker B: Like we were mentioning. For someone that is feeling overwhelmed by all these invisible hazards that we've just like hardcore gone into, what would you. Where would you tell them to start? And what's the first shift that creates the biggest transformation that you think in a physical or energetic way and without. Without feeling scary or overwhelming. [01:26:33] Speaker C: Yeah. Bedroom and sleep. That's like, I'm so passionate about this like, I don't care if you're living in the, like using fragrances or whatever you do, but get fix your bedroom, fix your sleep because sleep is the foundation of everything you do. I think it's such an important topic and people don't take it seriously enough. So start from your like evening routine. Like we spoke about light. You don't even, don't worry about the whole house. Just fix the bedroom, change the lamps, change the, you know, bedside lamps today, you know, blue light blocking lamps. Make sure you've got good ventilation, make sure you got all the good mattresses. If there is no mattresses, if they're more than 10 years old, should be good. Ditched straight away pillows every 12 months, ideally fresh air. Don't bring any fragrances into the bedroom. So make sure that's your safe haven. And I think that's very manageable. Like, you know, get rid of everything that, that don't belong there and just keep the basics in there. And yeah, TVs or like any electronics in the bedroom. Like you don't need. [01:27:43] Speaker B: Allow that. [01:27:44] Speaker C: Yes, yes. Why? Bedroom is, you know, for two things. Usually that's what you use it for. Not for watching TV or, you know, working from your bed. It's, you know. [01:27:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yes. [01:27:56] Speaker C: But yeah, I think starting from the sleep and you know, sleep time routine and taking it from. And I think I like in my life, I find that's the biggest impact. Like how I feel in the morning when I have my blue lights on, when I have my sleep mask on. I do other things as well. Like, you know, the nose tape is a new thing which is surprisingly. Works well. I was really suspicious, like, all right, Alex Hormosi, where is it? [01:28:23] Speaker B: I'm just about to try this. I have, I have some to try. [01:28:26] Speaker C: Yeah, try. So it does you feel straight away, it opens up your airways and you can breathe better. So like adding different, you know, routines to your sleep. I think that's, that's a really good place to start. [01:28:39] Speaker B: Amazing. And then working with you. So you did a home all over audit and within that report, like I mentioned, you went through everything that was maybe a concern factor. And with that as well, you gave me a list of suppliers and like recommendations and things like that. So if people want to work with you, can you tell us where they can find you and what other adventures you're doing at the moment? Because I know that you're also doing candles. [01:29:17] Speaker C: Yep. And it's interesting, people think they're very different. It is different. But coming from my Environmental health background and building biology. Obviously, healthy candles are very important. And yeah, we do weddings and events and candles and that's where it kind of ties in for me. And it does make sense. So much sense to me. [01:29:38] Speaker B: Yes, that makes sense to me, too. [01:29:39] Speaker C: Yeah. So kind of like, all right, my background is that obviously we're going to do healthy candles. And people ask all the time, like, why are you not using different colors? Why only white? Why only this? So that's why. Because I, I know what's in there and I'm so widely passionate about this. But how people. Social media webpage. Do I need to. Or you're going to list them? [01:29:59] Speaker B: Yes, I can list them for you. [01:30:00] Speaker C: Yeah. So Housekeeping Solutions.com is my web page. And yeah, I give, I do give recommendations. Depends what you after. Some traits are really hard to find, like good quality, the trades. And that's an issue I've had many, many years just to find trades, people that are actually doing what they should be doing and the quality of the service. So, yeah, so saying that there are recommendations, but some trades are really hard to find and even for me, really hard to recommend somebody who's, you know, I'm not 100% sure to actually do what they say they're going to do. Yeah. [01:30:38] Speaker B: Yes. Thank you so much. [01:30:39] Speaker C: I've been. [01:30:40] Speaker B: Loved this conversation. Putting a light onto this topic. [01:30:44] Speaker C: Hopefully it's not too overwhelming. It diet, like, my biggest wish is to make it really easy for people and people get really scared and then they go with a mindset that it's easier to ignore. It's. It's easier. It's. Yeah, I'm not, you know, it's. I'm not gonna die. That's. That's the saying I really hate. It's. Everything is gonna kill me anyway because why, why bother? Why would I even bother? Because you say that everything you say, drinking water, EMFs, you know, plastics, everything is going to kill us. So why should I even bother? You know, not everything is going to kill us. But going back there, like how you want to live your Life and you're 85, what's the quality? Do you prefer to be healthy, to be able to go for walks and runs, or you have some chronic underlying issues that, you know, restrict you from. [01:31:29] Speaker B: Basic activities, I think that's really important. [01:31:33] Speaker C: And people don't make those connections early enough. I think they're just. I'm fine now again, like, it's not. It's, you know, I can't feel anything now, so it must be Safe, whereas it's, you know, slowly impacting your health. And in 25 years you might have some kind of. [01:31:49] Speaker B: Yes. It reminds me, not that this will probably freak everyone out, but it's like the. The boiling of the frog, right. You're in the water and then it's slowly getting cooked and then it boils. Like it. It dies because you get used to the temperature rising and then it's too late to jump. He can't jump out anymore, but has the ability at the start too. So I think it is that analogy that's. [01:32:15] Speaker C: Yeah. Really hard part these days. Like all the technology and all the 5G and everything. People, we are so used to having everything around us, all the technology. It's really hard to go back. Like they're basically hard wiring. If I go to anyone's house that they're not in this mindset and start mentioning hardwiring, they look at you like a crazy person. It's not convenient. I need to run my cables. I need to change how I operate daily. And it's really. [01:32:44] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, like you say. But we're bringing this back. [01:32:49] Speaker C: We're making it cool. [01:32:50] Speaker B: We're making it cool. [01:32:53] Speaker C: Yeah. But I think, yeah, it's a conversation. Just more people need to talk about these things and it's not there to scare people off. It's just to provide solutions. [01:33:02] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:33:03] Speaker C: Definitely not against technology. And you know, I think it's there to make our life so much easier. And you know, it's. It's great thing to have, but you need to be mindful, you need to smart how you use our smart tools. [01:33:15] Speaker B: Thank you so much. [01:33:17] Speaker A: Thanks for tuning in to starbing. May the wisdom shared resonate in your soul. 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