Episode Transcript
[00:00:03] Speaker A: Welcome to Star Being. I'm Tara, your guide. Blending the wisdom of the stars, philosophy and soul centered conversation. Here we question, remember and reconnect with the stars, with self, with true being. I hope these conversations ignite within you resonance, awakening and a deeper knowing. Together we open to more truth, more magic, more you.
Welcome to Starbing.
[00:00:28] Speaker B: This is a little bit of a.
[00:00:29] Speaker A: Different conversation than I would usually have, but I'm.
I guess my intention behind it is.
[00:00:37] Speaker B: Really to.
[00:00:40] Speaker A: Open the door to conversations around this because I'm curious and this is what starbing is about. It's about being open minded. It's about being curious. Curious and wanting to understand.
And so that is my intention behind this. So you might not agree with everything that is said, but as always, I preface this. The whole Starving podcast is having that open mind. And I think having an open mind is one of the most attractive qualities.
But as we'll get into in this episode, that still means you are discerning and we'll get into what that actually means. Because I think in this day and age, discernment is critical.
So I think it's important to actually understand what discernment means. And so the textbook definition of it is the ability to perceive truth beyond appearance, to feel the, the energetic texture beneath words, teachings and experiences. It's the inner intelligence that helps us sense what resonates with our highest alignment and what subtly drains or distorts our light.
It is quiet knowing that arises when we are connected to our own soul and not seduced by glamour, authority or illusion.
So in this world where we're saturated with information, spiritual branding, and also these, these quick ascension paths, but not only that is we've got AI and tech. And so this is a skill that we need more than ever. You know how on social media platforms you see AI and you can easily, some people can easily know if it's AI or not, and others can't.
And I think that this is something.
[00:03:00] Speaker B: That we really need to, we really.
[00:03:03] Speaker A: Need to focus on. And it's, it's that feeling.
And so discernment becomes this, a spiritual tool.
And without it, we hand our power over to others, to teachers, to healers, to ideologies, and to energies that promise light, but they can also create this dependency as well.
And so this is why, as we'll go into or touch on in this episode, it is really important to keep our energy field sovereign and really pause before we absorb things and before we, we follow. And this is why, if you've been following me for a while, you'll know that I am a fan of Krishnamurti's teachings because he has this philosophy. You know, he denounced himself as a guru because he's like, don't follow me.
And why I really love that is because it is, you know, not outsourcing your power.
And so I feel like this episode needed just a little bit of context.
And so again, if you've been following for a while, you will know that I grew up in a very strict religion until I was 15.
And within this religion, like other religions, there is stories of angels and demons and heaven and hell.
And it was, yeah, there was a lot of emphasis on that and fear.
And the fables were very vivid, very fantastical.
And there was something in the fear that never aligned for me. And over time I began to see that the more I healed, the less those I'm using air quotations. Dark forces seem to have.
The stronger my energetic and my physical body became, the clearer it was that what we fear most outside of us often mirrors what is unhealed within.
And this is something that I've been deeply contemplating lately about.
Yeah, like this mirror. And in this case, when we're talking about dark forces, more of the dark mirror.
And so we are in this time in where the Veil feels Thinner, the light is rising. If you've listened to my episode with Joseph Selby about the Yu Giyas, we are currently in Duapa, which is also known as the Energy age. And we are ascending towards the Satya Yogya, which is the highest, also known as the golden years. And so with that, there's more light coming, but so the light is rising, but so are the shadows.
And the more consciousness expands. This is where discernment becomes non negotiable.
And so in this episode we explore the nature of the dark forces.
And you know, I want to really get you to think about this question as well. Is, are these external energies or.
Or are they reflections of our unintegrated self?
And in this episode we also talk about karmic swapping. We talk about or karmic or destiny swapping. We talk about psychic ethics, we talk about dream manipulation, which is something that I have really been diving into, and also the art of energetic hygiene. And I really feel that that is sort of forgotten when it comes to that spiritual integrity.
And so I am mindful, I don't want this conversation to be fear invoking.
I do want to come from of the lens of sovereignty and remembering your power and cultivating that discernment, to never hand it over to no Teacher, no ideology, no illusion of light.
And I'm interested to see if I will get any backlash around my comments about psychedelics and plant medicines and that as well, because.
And this is where the discernment comes, right? You need to listen to yourself.
But I went and got one of my favorite books. It's called the Five Stages of the Soul. And I really loved how this summarized how I think about a spiritual awakening, about the preparation for spiritual breakthroughs.
And honestly, I don't hear a lot of people talking about this in. In the spiritual community. And I would have to say that I am quite unique in my thinking. So if you do not agree with me, lots of people don't.
But I also, I want to be.
[00:08:59] Speaker B: An expander in this as well, because.
[00:09:03] Speaker A: I'll read you the quote.
A true breakthrough requires preparation over time.
It must be forged in the fires of effort and patience and sincerity.
It must be drawn from the very stuff of our life.
To allow oneself to be plummeted into a state of higher consciousness without adequate preparation and foreknowledge is dangerous business.
Not just psychologically, but spiritually as well.
And that really just summed it up for me.
And so being in this end of the age of Pisces, keep in mind I'm a Vedic astrologer.
We're living in this age of obsession with shortcuts, of illusion, with instant transcendence.
But in my experience, a true illumination is slow. It's grounded, and it's earned through devotion. And that's really what resonates deeply with me.
So with that, I feel like that's.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: A really long Runway for this episode.
[00:10:26] Speaker A: But I think there is so many things that could be taken out of context here. So again, using your discernment and.
Yeah, and, you know, sometimes listening to things that you don't agree with, so then you know that you don't agree with it, and then you can be curious and create your.
Your own sense of truth.
So with that, please enjoy this episode and please let me know your thoughts. As always, I love to read all your comments.
Please comment on Spotify or you can also direct message me on Instagram. Enjoy.
[00:11:11] Speaker B: Welcome, Lauren. I'm excited to have this conversation with you.
You are one of the few people that I am seeing on online that is discussing, I guess, more of the discerning parts of spirituality and more of, like, what you would say, the darker forces.
And so I'm curious to have this conversation with you, but I would love to start with maybe touching on your story and where this passion and aliveness for doing this work has come from.
[00:11:49] Speaker C: Yes. Thank you so much for having me. So happy to be here. And yeah, let's. Let me, just, as quickly as I can, just give the rundown of who I am and how we got here, because I definitely didn't plan on this. You know, this wasn't something as a child where I was like, this is what I want to do and who I want to be. I didn't even know this.
Yeah, whole world existed. But, you know, when you go through this experience in adulthood and then you kind of start to trace it back into childhood and the signs were kind of always there, but just, you know, you didn't know, didn't understand. And so I was always a very sensitive, very sensitive, very moody, very emotional child. That really could have been explained honestly through my astrology if, you know, someone had sought to look at that. And one thing that I love to see now as well is all of the moms who are looking at that for their children and wanting to understand their children better, all that resonate with this. Where we were kind of fish out of water as children and didn't really have the tools. I grew up outside of New York City. I could see the city skyline from my front yard. So I was in that chaos. And that was also very hard for my nervous system. But I basically wound up getting sick in 2015. So I was around 25 years old.
And that is really what started the awakening for me. I would say it. I really started to open my eyes to the systems, like, why is the education system not supportive to us? And then obviously, you know, down the rabbit hole in high school and I started to become more aware of my traumas, I would say, in 2012, and that something more was going on here than in 2015. I wound up being diagnosed with three different autoimmune diseases. Basically my body was just shutting down.
And I was living in Charleston, South Carolina at the time. I couldn't work anymore, I couldn't take care of my dog. So I wound up moving back up to my parents house and seeing all of these doctors. Nobody could figure out what was wrong. And I actually, I think I was actually 23 at the time and had trouble walking and, you know, picking up my arms, like I was so weak. And the doctor, doctors just saying, well, you're just gonna have to learn to live with this. We can't figure this out. And I just remember thinking, there's no way. At 23 years old, you're telling me I'm just Gonna, you know, live with this muscular atrophy. And I had chronic pain. And so I remember at one point I was sitting in the doctor's office and the doctor was, you know, multiple doctors telling me the same thing.
And I just heard this voice, like the. I didn't know where the voice was coming from, telling me, do not listen, do not attach to this. You will be able to heal.
And listen, listen to me basically. And I didn't know, like I knew about psychics, but I didn't consider myself one or even. That didn't even cross my mind. But I feel in that moment I was so desperate that I didn't even think of who's talking to me. I just knew I needed to listen. And so I wound up maybe like 10 months later moving out to LA and really having this opportunity to heal from the physical illness. But that's where the psychic ability started. And I just started listening to this voice that I now getting emotional was my higher self.
And so after five years of healing, of work, of, at this point I was already spending studying because the voices and the gifts just kept getting stronger. And I remember saying to my boyfriend at the time, like, I think I'm psychic. Like, I don't know what's happening. And I wound up going to Peru with a friend from high school. I. She would not sit with ayahuasca with me. She was like, do all your weird stuff, just don't tell me about it. You know, obviously we're not really friends anymore.
But I wound up sitting with ayahuasca and the medicine told me, basically showed me my next teacher. Because I had been asking, I need help. I don't understand this. You know, it was not even really that long ago, but a time when the information was not blasted on social media.
I. I'm sure it was out there, but I was so energetically blocked from even being able to access that information anyway.
And so the medicine showed me my next teacher. And then two days later, I was still in Peru. I was on a bus to the Andes. And you know how you just don't have service, but it's just a habit to scroll on Instagram? I don't know what wi fi I think I had, but I saw that teacher posting a psychic development course, her very first one. And so that was the start of it all. I was living in la. I had negative dollars left over at the end of every month with paying bills. And I wound up investing over $3,000 into this process. And it was definitely the best decision I'VE ever made. You know, sometimes I think where a lot of people feel like, okay, I know I need this, but the money needs to come in first. And it really is backwards sometimes where it's like, no, you invest in yourself first, and then the money and the abundance comes after. So I wound up really learning, Studying psychic development for about two years with two different teachers. Both of them turned out to not really be working with the light. So kind of, you know, this whole topic of conversation, I didn't know. I didn't see it at the time, but it was helpful. And then in 2020, I was actually studying herbalism Because I was sick myself and wanted to help people heal. And I knew I had the psychic abilities, but I wanted to kind of be more like a psychic herbalist and use my intuitive abilities, but more secretly. Where there's intuitive wisdom that's coming through, there's insight around what is really going on in their body. But spirit was just like, no, you're not. This is not the path right now. You will come back to working with plants, but you need to start reading for other people, doing healings on other people. And I had so much resistance to that. I had fear of, you know, coming out to childhood friends and family of like, hey, this is. You know, I read the akashic records, and this is what I've been working on the past few years. But once I did, everything just started to flow and fall in place from there. And it was that year that took my first course on the dark forces.
So it started with the akashic records, which is basically a very protected field of information.
Because if you think about how vast and intelligent the universe is, it makes so much sense that every experience that we've had as a soul, regardless of what realm, what lifetime, is documented and stored somewhere. Right. It wouldn't. It just doesn't make sense to me that it just vanishes right the moment that we have that experience and we know that's not true because our body keeps score. Right?
So I started with the akashic, really just to help myself. I had no intention of doing this for other people. It wasn't even on my radar. It was just like, I am in pain, and I need to figure out why.
And then I got my reiki certification. I actually went through a lot of training with that and kind of later on realized, like, okay, this was a gateway for me.
And the Reiki, you know, at one point in time, was intended to be a transmission of pure life force energy, but with it being passed and passed and passed, and not really too much regulation.
I realized that I'm able to actually tune into a much higher frequency, a really pure frequency outside of the Reiki. So it started that way. But yeah, I was doing healings and readings for maybe about a year. I was getting visitations from beings that did not have my best interests at heart and actually backing up a couple of years when I was studying.
I. I remember having an, what I thought was an autoimmune flare up. And I went to this group akashic class at this meditation studio that I went to and I was like, I'm having a flare up.
I have done nothing differently. I am so confused. Can you please give me insight into like, what I did to trigger this? And she was just like, this isn't a flare up. You have an entity attachment and we need to remove it. And as soon as we did, I immediately felt better.
And she told me in that, in that moment, she was like, yeah, this is part of your work. Like the light versus the shadow. And you need to learn how to do this. Like, just like you brush your teeth in the morning and night, you need to clear these entities in the morning and night. And I was like, what? Like, I just want to be a normal person and just brush my teeth and get on with my day. And now you're telling me I, you know, like, I had a really hard time with it and honestly didn't accept it for about another year until I started getting those visitations as I started to open, you know, myself up to being of service to others. So from there it's just, yeah, I went on a journey. I don't know how else to explain it in really putting together that the pain and negativity and trauma and suppression that I felt from a really young age. I mean, as soon as I really became conscious, like, it was always, there was always something in me that I felt like something was wrong, something was wrong inside. And I remember at like 8 years old having like asking myself these questions of like, where am I? Like, just feeling like maybe I. And I didn't understand that there were, there was life outside of Earth, but I would just like look around. And I remember one time, it was right before they legalized same sex marriage. And I remember having these thoughts that weren't coming from my conscious human mind of like, wait, we're like, you can't just be with whoever you want. There are limitations. And like, what is this place? You know, like, something is not right here.
So then, now I'm I think I'm 24, 25 and I'm putting together like, okay, my pain is coming from these beings, these parasitic energies and, and consciousness groups that do exist here. And when you really think about it, it's like, okay, there's starvation, there's war, there's all of these things that it just all started to make sense and click. That there are groups of people, beings, whatever, that have a lot of control over what's going on on this planet, that want to keep us suppressed and controlled and sick. Because I felt that was exactly what was trying to, you know, keep me sick.
So another few years go by and I go on this retreat and I'm going to, I'm going to make this really short and honestly, for anyone who does want to hear the full story of what happened over these next few years, that was my underworld journey, my shadow journey. I do have, I have a podcast as well and I go into really, really great detail on the moment that it started. Up until most recently, it's a four part series on what happened. But you know, when you're on the spiritual path and really it's just a path of soul growth and evolution and knowing the self part of that journey and something that you cannot bypass or neglect is the shadow. Right. Like looking at our wounds and traumas and yeah, like what is living within our body, within our mind, within our consciousness that is either not innately our own adopted beliefs that when you really trace it back, like, where does this come from?
And so I went on this retreat in Mount Shasta, California, which is a really, it's a hotspot for spiritual seekers. It's a really beautiful mountain that is multi dimensional portal. And I'm not sure if you're familiar with Lemuria and Telos, but the myth is that the portal to Telos is underneath the mountain. And I had a really good friend who actually owned this meditation studio in LA where I was learning all of these things, who moved up to Mount Shasta and I went on her retreat. And I knew coming home from that retreat that I was beginning the shadow journey. It was a year of abundance and growth and light and connecting with all of these amazing people in my business. And I hadn't gotten to that point yet, leaving that retreat, that I was entering the darker part to this because I still felt this energy inside me. And for about two years I went through pretty intense psychic attacks, which is basically when you experience that. And maybe some of you guys can resonate with. There is this force, this unseen force that is, that feels like it's impeding on and intruding and interfering with not only day to day life, but your, your thoughts, your emotions.
And so yeah, I was, I was working, I was growing and strengthening my skill set. I was learning so much on how to, how to identify these different groups, how to protect yourself.
And it just kept getting more and more and more intense. And after about two years, I remember having this session, a healing session. And I told her I, I'm, I've been so strong, so resilient, I don't know how much more of this I can take. And she basically said that, you know, what you're working toward right now is receiving your immunity, meaning you are, you have reached this part in your soul evolution where you are not going to be affected by these energies anymore, right? Because whether they're energies or beings from other realms or humans, right, that really embody this energy, those groups are never going to stop.
And we can't control what they're doing. All we can control is you.
So I've been going through initiation after initiation of learning and then putting that into practice and really learning how to stand strong in my light and learn the lessons and work through the wounds that ultimately were at the foundation of what allowed this infiltration to come in.
And she said that I'm almost there. And what coming on the other side of this is like they can't touch you anymore, they can't harm you anymore. And at that point I knew that this is, you know, something that had been going on for so many lifetimes, right. I think one thing that a lot of people maybe don't understand or it takes a while is like these deeper soul lessons around non attachment, around self love, the abandonment wounds, things like that are multi lifelong journeys to really understand and embody the lesson and then change and repattern and reprogram from there, right? And shift. And it's not meant to be this quick thing. And for a lot of people, right, there was that mass awakening in 2020. And I feel a lot of this like, okay, we got to, you know, get this done. And it's like, oh no, this is, this is a really beautiful process. Like we are eternal beings. God is not in a rush. Your higher self is not in a rush. And so just a lot of really, really deep work around that. And a month later I go on a retreat again.
Same person from the first time. And we were, the, the cracks were, were showing a little bit there. There were a couple of things that kind of happened that I'm like, okay, this isn't a loving energy anymore. There's a lot of tension. I'm not really sure what I've done to upset her.
And I was feeling that already, but I knew in my soul that I needed to go on this retreat.
And I basically went and it was extreme. It was a very dark experience. They were doing black magic. They were.
Yeah, a lot of voodoo. I was being psychically attacked, and it was kind of like living in a real life paranormal horror movie for five straight days.
I saw the true colors of this person and I pretty much got the message that this is how I get my immunity.
Because the healer said I had one opportunity in this lifetime and it doesn't come around again. And that to me, I was like, what? There's always so many ways, you know, that we can. There's always another way. So that really sat with me where I was like, okay, only one opportunity. And then going on this retreat, it's like, okay, this is. This group has been.
Yeah.
After me for a while. I realized it was a cult. I had no idea.
And you've been running and running and running for lifetimes. And you're not going to run now, and you're going to stay and you're going to hold your light and you're going to trust that you are protected.
And once that ended, the immunity came. And ever since, now that I've been.
It's such a different feeling, right, to be. To know that you are safe, no matter what else is going on out there, no matter what is trying to come in, you are safe and protected. And shifted my nervous system completely because the autoimmune diseases were nervous system disorders. And that was a little over two years ago. So in these two years, I went through a very, very, very deep healing process. Because in the two years between those retreats, I had put on £20. I had rashes all over my face for months. My hair was falling out. Like, my eyes. You could just tell that I was really struggling and suffering and just really strengthening myself. And what I learned in these two years about the dark forces, the dark order, the shadow side to all of this was honestly, like, worth it. Like, worth it for what I learned and for what my soul was able to accomplish and evolve out of and into. So, you know, obviously I do my best to educate people and share about my experience. And now. Right, okay, There is a veil that can cloud us especially.
Especially with all the spiritual work and what to look out for, how to identify those things in other people.
And I don't. I'm not, you know, a name caller. I'm not blasting them. I've never named them.
You know, they have sent legal threats to me, even though I have never named them. And now it's really just about like, okay, this is, this is how to grow your discernment and strengthen it and what to look out for. And so that's a big part of what I teach.
And you know, there are.
Yeah, there, there, we'll, we'll get into it. But another part of the work is just getting out all of the energy that's in the consciousness, in the body, in the energy bodies, in the chakras. That is not supporting your highest evolution.
That's creating restriction and suppression. Right. Because we all feel it in our own way. Like, we're not able to connect to God in the way that we should be able to. We're blocked from seeing the truth and knowing the truth about our world and about ourselves. And it's like, well, why is that? Because our reality is very physical.
But when you, when you trace it all back, it's all energy, it's all code, it's all mathematic equations that then create the physical reality.
So what I've learned to do is be able to look at this person's energetic structure and the architecture that houses the consciousness and identify where there's blockages and distortions and synthetic energies and patterns and codes and whatever is in the body or stuck or stagnant trauma. And we help to like, pull that out and remove that so your body can do what it was designed to do.
And there's been so much healing. Like, I spent 10 years trying to heal my body, you know, and then after I'm clearing all this distortion out of me now, now my body is actually healing. So, yeah, it's been quite a journey. A very beautiful one, very intense, very challenging one, but definitely very rewarding.
[00:35:07] Speaker B: That is a huge, huge journey. Thank you for that.
[00:35:12] Speaker C: The.
[00:35:12] Speaker B: The thing about your story is there is this.
[00:35:20] Speaker A: I think it.
[00:35:21] Speaker B: It takes like, what you've experienced, a certain type of abilities and strength to do the work that you do. And like, going through that journey can sor. Understand that and process that.
I have someone in my life that does work with like, clearing these darker aspects.
And I always say to him, I'm like, I could, I could never do that because on some level, like, there's things I don't want to see. Like, I just don't want to see it.
But he is fine to see it. And it doesn't.
It doesn't threaten him. It doesn't. It doesn't phase him. Like, because.
And I'm. I'm curious if that's how you feel now. Like, you feel like you have, like, this force field and you're called to this work because it doesn't feel threatening to you.
[00:36:24] Speaker C: I wish I could say that fully.
It's part of my.
My process right now of getting to that point where I am just not phased at all.
But I still have my moments where I feel anger and rage at what is happening on the planet. I know I'm protected. I've. I've had, you know, a lot of time to really trust that. And why would I not? Right. Like, nothing new has come in. There's been definitely attempts because I am working with clients who are very deep in it, and the attacks are intense. And, you know, there's. I definitely have eyes on me, but I'm not. I'm not phased. When I'm in session and I'm seeing things, I'm not. I don't have an emotional connection to it. So in. In that respect.
Yeah, I am, you know, I'm a little bit more separ. Separated from it, and I'm just like, okay, this is what I'm seeing and what needs to go. And I'm not pulled into it like that, but am I completely neutral toward what's happening? No.
And I think that's a process. Right. Because it's. You do see the suffering, and it's hard to.
To. To be fully immune to that.
[00:37:52] Speaker B: Yeah, definitely.
The part of the reason that I wanted to speak to you, Lauren, is because I feel that in the Vedic text we say that there's more light coming onto the planet as we're moving into a different yagya, different age.
And so there's more light. So more of the darker forces, I guess, are getting exposed.
So this I'm definitely seeing. Like, I'm definitely feeling the intensity of that. And so I would love to ask who is more susceptible to that? Like, where. Where is this discernment? Like, how would you get someone to.
Yeah. Even create that awareness that not everything is light and love, especially in the spiritual community where it is seen as that.
[00:39:00] Speaker C: Yeah. And I'm gonna back up just a little bit, too, because you're so right. There is more light.
More. More access to the source, dreams and the higher intelligences. And for me, in this lifetime, it just. What. What I was able to work through wasn't possible in the last lifetime because there wasn't enough light. And so I have a lot of clients who. It's the same thing. It's like this is the lifetime where you break free. And whether we're conscious or unconscious of it, even if you're full becoming aware of it now, the chances are that this energy has already been been in you since before this lifetime.
So what I found was Gnosticism. At some point after I already made my own decisions and realizations on what is going on here, I found Gnosticism. I'm like, wow, this is kind of exactly what I believe. But it's in this ancient text that's been around for forever. And this is we, we know, right? This is not a secret. And basically what they describe is that there is this being that did, you know, like, fell from grace and was created not a direct creation from God, right? So not everything that is created as a direct creation from God. And so this being, it was never intended to be evil. It was just ignorant and unaware of who it truly was and thought it was the ruler of the world and God or whatever you want to call it. And so over time, all of these, all of these manifestations, right, that kind of came onto this planet that created these systems of oppression long, long, long, even before way before modern day.
So for many of us and, and there are definitely some people that don't spend as much time here on Earth. For me, I've kind of been. It's like the moment I leave, I come right back and it's just been this cycle. But for some people, they, you know, some clients, they haven't been here since the time of Atlantis. And now they're back and they're here to still play things out. But for a lot of us, us, we've just been unconscious of it and in the dark of it. And these groups have been here all along, but it's been more hidden. It's not been as spiritual, and it's also been in, you know, religion as well, in the government, in our systems, in the financial education, the medical system, right? It's like all created to, to kind of trap us a little bit.
So this probably isn't someone's first time of reconnecting to their spirituality and finding God in their own way.
But the chances of, you know, I think we're all affected by this system, whether we're spiritual or not.
For some people, they're not here to, to lead.
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[00:43:16] Speaker C: The way they're here to hold the light and to create and live and learn their lessons, but they're not at the forefront of this war on consciousness that's going on. The people that are at the forefront of it that have those contracts to be paving the way often are the ones who do get hit the hardest with all of this because they signed up for it, they agreed to it, and they've done a lot of training and preparation to learn how to really embody and embrace these soul gifts that are going to help lead them out of this. Because what Gnosticism says as well is it all, it is all understood through experience, through lived experience. And that is exactly what happened to me where I had to learn, live that, you know, those, those years where I was kind of like in the underworld and, and having these experiences that were way beyond the physical.
And so yeah, everyone you know, is affected by this system, but some people are definitely more infiltrated than others.
And I see a lot of times, you know, for me, I, I always feel like I had pretty strong discernment, pretty strong boundaries.
But it was through the wound of self worth that these forces really broke me down over time.
But for a lot of others it's like, like you said, because they're so open and loving and giving the, the parasitic energies kind of see that as a weakness and an opportunity.
And so, and, and you made a good point earlier too where you know, this, this work is not for everyone.
And I have some clients who are like, no, this is what I'm meant to be doing and I need to learn this. And then others who I know and I can feel that they, they're here to do amazing things, but they don't need to understand the depths and the ins and outs of all of this in the same way that I do. So I have this, you know, contract that we agree to before this lifetime where I'm gonna take some of that on for them and I'm gonna see, you know, and explain it to them and help them understand it. And work through all of the. The life lessons that come along with that. But they don't need to go to go there to that same place. Does that make sense?
[00:46:00] Speaker B: Yeah, completely. Yeah, that's definitely how I feel.
Yeah, I would.
Yeah. And it's interesting. Like you say on your journey, it's kind of like you need to unlock certain aspects to sort of like awaken you or trigger you to the next part of your consciousness. So I believe that the soul has place certain maybe events or things that happen that are going to, you know, wake you up. And for me, that was being in a religion that was very like, cult, like from my parents and their parents, like, and, and so breaking that and seeing through the distortion. And if I hadn't experienced that, no one can tell you about it. Like, you know, you have to have that lived experience to visceral.
Yeah. Understand.
And so thank you for going into the depths of that.
One of the questions that I was really curious about your work and I wanted to speak about because I, as a Vedic astrologer, do a lot of reading of karma and, you know, where the soul has been before and like, where we're wanting to go to in this lifetime.
I've seen you speak about karmic swapping before or destiny swapping, and this really sparked my curiosity and I would love if you could explain what that is. And.
Yeah, like the, the problem with that as well.
[00:47:46] Speaker C: Yeah.
Yeah. So the, the parasites, I guess it's just whether. Parasites, dark forces, you know, same thing.
[00:47:55] Speaker B: They.
[00:47:56] Speaker C: Because it all started with this being right, that came down and kind of like separate, severed itself from God and true creation. It doesn't have the ability to create on its own. And that is a pattern that now has been passed to all. All of these dark forces.
And because they don't have that connection to true life force and creation, they need to get that energy from someone else who is connected.
Right. So kind of going back to 2020, when a lot of people started to open up and all this information started to get passed around, people opened up and just like they did with religion, they're like, no, we're gonna. We're gonna insert ourselves between you and the connection to God and, and especially with our generations, we're not really, you know, we're coming out of it. We're not really interested in that anymore. And so now it's right New age and this type of spirituality where they did the same thing. And they're like, nope, we're going to intercept that and you're going to think, right, that you're connecting to the source of creation, but in reality you're connecting to us and we're mimicking that light. And now we're going to be harvesting and taking that life force energy energy that you have because you are a light being who does have these abilities.
So karmic swapping is like another layer of that where these dark forces, one cannot generate their own light, cannot create for themselves. So everything that they do is a, a copy, a replication of, of something else.
And they need light to be able to sustain themselves and the level of control that they have over this planet. And by doing that, accruing a lot of karma, because karmic law says, no, this is, this is not okay. But these groups are completely bypassing universal law.
And so they're accumulating a lot of karma by doing these things. And they're trying to offload that karma now onto others so they don't have to carry that and be affected by that. And same with destiny swapping. Right. When someone sees, oh, you have what I want, even if it's not a ritual based practice, that intention alone can kind of create the manifestation of that ritual. And it is a form of black magic. Even if people aren't necessarily doing the, the rich like the occult level rituals and spell work around that.
So it's a, it's an to. Yeah, to. To free themselves of the karma that they've accumulated.
The thing is, karmic law doesn't work that way either. So maybe it's this temporary fix, but it's always, always, always going to come back.
So yeah, that's it in a nutshell.
[00:51:06] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:51:07] Speaker B: Thank you for explaining that. That actually makes sense to me because I couldn't understand like the concept of that. But it makes sense. If they're, yeah. Attracted, they can't generate their own light, which is why you're referencing the understanding. Because it's literally like feeding and then not trying to get around those universal laws that every, you know, contracted to like in this universe by doing that karma swapping, trying to alleviate that karmic debt.
Yes. Okay, thank you. That makes complete sense.
You touched on it a little bit in your story about plant medicine.
This is something that I feel is so controversial. I am, I would say as someone that you would say is spiritual. Like I have like quite.
I, I think people would be not shocked but that I have like such a hard line. So my line is I'm not. I, I've never been called to plant medicine. I feel like there's some darkness around it that it doesn't attract me to it.
But I see a lot of people being attracted to it.
I have heard, obviously everyone has some of the downfalls of those stories. And so having experienced it, having gone through it yourself, what is your lens on it?
Yeah. Before. And, and now. Where do you sit with that?
[00:52:44] Speaker C: Yeah, I just, you know, for. I'm. I know you know this, but. Yeah. I sat in over 30 ayahuasca ceremonies when I was purging this cult because it was just so much and so intense that I could not clear it all on my own. And I needed support.
And there were no other humans that I felt safe with, felt could do this level of work.
And you know, the, the thing is these dark groups, and again, because they can't create, they've taken everything sacred and they've basically just inverted it or they've infiltrated it. And that includes plant medicine. You know, what we're going to really start to see as the veil lives is that just because it's an ancient spiritual lineage does not mean that it's a lineage of. Of light or that they have the best intentions for all.
So I really, truly believe that plant medicine is legit and it is a gift and it is here to help us. But it has fallen into the wrong hands. And there are a lot of shamans that are abusing their abilities. They're abusing the medicine, and it's become quite capitalistic in a lot of countries as well. And I'm going to name drop here. I know I said I don't do that, but places like Rhythmia in Costa Rica.
Absolutely. Really sad to see what they have done. And, and it's just not. It's not real plant medicine. It's not sacred at all.
And there's a lot of places like that.
But the spirit of ayahuasca, like, I owe.
Yeah. Getting emotional.
I. I owe so much to her because what, what happened in those ceremonies, like, I know I would not be where I am today without them.
And it took a while, though. Like, it's. It's a lot and it's tough and intense because you. You relinquish control completely. Right. And if your shaman is not holding a tight container and they are not in integrity, like, yeah, it opens you up to a lot of dark things. And I've seen that that time and time and time again. I live half the year in Tulum, Mexico, and there were a lot of shamans that came in 2022 that were.
It was Very icky, you know, sexual distortion.
And they. They basically just like, hook you into their web. And that is not okay. So if you are called to medicine, and, you know, just like you said, it's not okay, not. Not everyone is going to be called to it in this lifetime. And honestly, I haven't sat at all since May of 2024. So it's like once you're complete with the work that you need to do, you're complete. And I really, like, strongly feel that the medicine will call you. And if the medicine is not calling you, then you should not be sitting with it. But if it does call you, that it's really important to find a shaman that you trust, a tribe that you trust, and a facility that is really in integrity. And I've been really blessed and lucky to have found not one, but two different tribes that I recommend and that I've. I've sat with many times. But I would say most of what's out there, and especially I.
You know, it's kind of hard to say because I love that Westerners and people that are not born into the lineage have such a desire to learn more about the medicine and study, but they were not born into the lineage for a reason.
And your shaman, even if they studied for 10 years, it's not enough time.
You really want to find someone that was born into it, has been drinking medicine since they were in the womb, since studying to be a shaman since they were five, six years old.
And yeah, there's a lot of people that have not undergone those studies that are. Yeah, in their ego. And, you know, with what I went through, too, which is obviously very, very intense process. I had a moment there where I really felt like was losing connection to my body because one thing that this group did to me was attack my womb.
And I needed the shaman's help to pull me back. And I had this moment of looking in his eyes, and I've sat with him so many times, and he's amazing. He's in Colombia. And I just thought, like, if he. If I was with a. A facilitator or a Westerner or somebody that didn't really know how to help me out of this, I would be so screwed right now.
And so that was that. I already knew that, but it was just another moment for me of just like, it's not worth it. It might be cheaper.
But, yeah, so if it calls to you, it's an amazing tool.
And the spirit of ayahuasca, the spirit of combo, like, that is all I really Believe coming from God, it's just, like, gotten into the wrong hands in a lot of. A lot of people.
[00:58:10] Speaker B: Yes. Thank you for clarifying that, because that is what I. When I feel into this, that is what I feel as well. Like, the actual plant medicine is, like, in its purity and its power.
I feel that it is the method and the distortion around that that has clouded certain aspects. But like you say certain shamans, and. Yeah, I think that is really good advice. And again, coming back to that discernment and that integrity, like, can someone hold you through that. That process?
And that is.
Yeah, like, my. My caution with it is, yeah, until you find that person that. That shaman that you feel has that integrity is.
[00:59:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:59:02] Speaker B: In your experience, do you see sometimes people being called to this as a shortcut? Because that's what concerns me. If your conscious level hasn't got the strength or hasn't, you know, developed to a certain, let's say, level, then how that could potentially be damaging on the psyche and, like, too much for the body to. To process. Like, for me, it just seems like a fast work. I'm happy to do the slow and steady path.
Do you know what I mean? Like, it seems like a lot.
[00:59:45] Speaker C: Yeah, a lot of bypassing a lot of, you know, spiritual narcissism.
And. Yeah, they're not. It's not the medicine that's calling them. It's the parasite. It's the. The ego. It's the negative mind. And also some of these shamans that. That, you know, aren't in integrity with what they're doing. They're the ones that are sending those messages to pull you. So. Yeah, and it's also a process, like, okay, what thoughts are my own and what thoughts are being implanted or coming from something else. But I definitely have seen the. The downside to it. I. I have a good friend who just sits with way too much medicine. And you can, you know, see the suffering and the pain, but it just, like, she can't stop, you know, so that's definitely a very real thing. And even living in Tulum, I. I sat in. I told myself I was never gonna sit in ceremony in Tulum again because it's just not. It's not authentic. It's not real. It's not safe. But I felt like people. It was their Friday night. Like, this is what we're gonna go do on a Friday night, and they were talking and getting romantic next to me, and just no one had any sacred regard for the medicine at all. So I. I've seen that as well.
[01:01:03] Speaker B: Well, yeah, and that's really interesting you say that, because when I think about this medicine, I just think of it in complete reverence. And so, yeah, doing that is a blasphemy, really.
I would love to speak to you about evil eye, what your thoughts are.
I've. Over the years, some people will say to me, like, it's real. It's not real.
I. I think it's real. And I would love to know if there is something that you do to protect yourself from. From the evil eye. And.
[01:01:49] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, I believe the same. It's real. I've experienced it. I've seen it. It's actually funny. This morning in a session, we cleared, like, hundreds of evil eyes off of this client.
And so, you know, sometimes, and most of the time, it's just coming from a lack within another person.
Jealousy.
Right. It's like. And I. And I've been there. I. I will definitely admit that, especially in high school, where I was so not connected to myself and broken inside. And then you see someone else who's confident and is beautiful, and you have all these negative feelings, right. That get projected toward that person, whether you're intending to do that or not. And that negative emotion and. And thought and intention, it's like there is a manifestation of that that happens energetically, and that's often most commonly what the evil eye is. But a lot of occult practitioners and dark magic practitioners do use this as well.
But a lot of times it's just from, you know, people that, you know, it's a mirror, and then they. They feel the lack within themselves. And instead of thinking, oh, you know, for me now, I'm like, oh, you're an expander.
[01:03:13] Speaker B: You.
[01:03:14] Speaker C: You carry this frequency that is beautiful and radiant. And it's. It's an expander for me of like, oh, this is possible for me too. Right. That comes back to the inner work.
But for other people, they don't want to take that responsibility or the ego is so strong or. Yeah, it's a lot of different things that it could be. And instead they just project that negativity out and then it manifests as the evil eye.
[01:03:42] Speaker B: Yes.
[01:03:43] Speaker A: And I.
[01:03:46] Speaker B: Because I've been thinking about this a lot. I went to a traditional Hindu wedding not too long ago, and as part of that, like, a sacred practice, the.
[01:03:58] Speaker C: Guru.
[01:04:01] Speaker B: Like, did a protection on the.
The husband and wife, because he's. He was saying that because they have a lot of eyes on them today on their wedding day, they need to be protected. Their sacred union needs to be Protected. And I thought it was beautiful because it's like you say that unconscious, like we're not, we might not even be aware like what we're casting on another person. Right. And like you said, it's that self responsibility, love that for her, want it for me, that kind of energy.
And so when it comes to this technical age now where, you know, on Instagram and on social media, so many people now, I've noticed maybe in the last year not so much interacting anymore. It's just this watching. And I think of this evil eye a lot because even some of my, yeah, like my spiritual friends, like, don't want to be on these platforms because they don't want to have to like be involved with, with that energy.
And so how do you protect yourself on technology?
And is there a certain protocol that you will do?
[01:05:16] Speaker C: Yeah, well, because I, you know, have this immunity now. I don't have to be thinking so much about it. But it was definitely, and it still is, right. Like I'm very loud on social media and there's every day there's not so nice comments and people lurking and you know, the haters, the enemies. And so when, when I was really having to be diligent with the practices, I would do a lot of clearing around my business, around my Auric field.
And it honestly was a daily practice of not only implementing protection and you know, a lot of what we're seeing is, okay, place the white light around you. And when it comes to that, it's. That's one layer that can be very helpful, but it's not going to be enough, especially when it comes to like the more intense, dense forces, right, that are coming in.
So the way I teach is like, we can put up all of the protection that we want, but if our internal world is full of, you know, openings and pain and weak points and all this distorted energy, the protection is only as great as what's going on inside. So the more that you really allow yourself to work through the traumas, the, the shadow work, the ancestral trauma, all that comes with that and strengthening your own connection to yourself, your inner knowing, really focusing on like, you know, when was the last time you just sat in a pure field of white light, right. We're all like very deficient in that.
So by, by doing that deeper work and again, at whatever level feels right for you, it doesn't mean you have to, to go sit in 30 ayahuasca ceremonies and go to this Mount Shasta retreat that is going to give you better protection than throwing up A shield temporarily.
But if you do have, you know, intuitive abilities and you do have some sight or even just like a feeling and inner knowing, I really also recommend anytime you're doing spiritual work, energetic work, or you're tuning into the above, below realms, tuning to open up a container because that container is going to keep you safe and protected and keep out things that don't need to be coming in while bringing the light and God and the, you know, your, your teams, your, your energetic support to you.
So once you're, once you're in that container, it's, it's God's intelligence, it's harmony, unconditional love and that pure white light and all the, the colors of the rainbow as well that we can, can, we can bring into our vessel, but then also work with to transmute and transform all the things within us that are just not us at our core, as well as, you know, meeting your team and all these great things. So that is available, but of like implementing those and doing these protection practices while you're also doing the deeper shadow work. But if you can, if you have, even if it's just if your body can tell you yes or no, right. And some we doubt ourselves, but I guarantee every person listening, it's a yes that they have the ability to do this. And just really asking yourself and your soul, is there evil eye on me? And just see how the body reacts. Like if you're, if you really have no reaction and it just doesn't feel like it's a yes, then it's a no. But if you, right, if you start to have energy moving through you or you kind of do have a visceral reaction when you're asking that question, then okay, the answer is yes. There's something around me in my field.
And if you feel comfortable and confident enough to do it yourself, really, really important to make sure that you are in your container, connected to the light and just asking your soul's wisdom, your highest self to clear it. And the light will come in and transmute it and take it away.
Because yeah, you can, you know, hire a practitioner to do that for you. And sometimes you, you might need to, where it is intense and there's a lot more to it, right. Than just an evil eye. And that's for you to discern. Okay. Knowing when I need to receive the help and knowing when I can do this on my own and it's just a little bit of fear that I need to move through. But for me, whenever I'm sensing something, because I'm still, I'm still working through things. Right. It's not so much dark force manipulation anymore, but it's, you know, deeper wounds, a self worth wound and things like that. And I just always bring the light in and the light is going to override whatever is there because it's more powerful and it can.
[01:10:29] Speaker B: I love that. And coming back to what you were saying about knowing yourself and taking that responsibility to do your healing. Because I think a lot of the times like we're looking, yeah, you know, yes, you can look for that. Like you said external help. But like how can you take responsibility and strengthen your vessel and what you can hold and what can then.
Yeah, create your, your magnetic force.
[01:11:00] Speaker C: Part of it too. And I should have. You just reminded me of this. But it's also asking, well why is this here?
Right? Like why did I attract. This was. There is. Sometimes it is just okay, we're, we're targets and there's naivete or wounding or something. But other times, right, like when it comes to karma, it's like, well, we have stuff we need to look at within ourselves as well. So removing it but then really taking that next step of okay, well you know, how did this get here? What role did I play in this? What is this mirroring back to me so that you really do that deeper work to where okay, it's not gonna be able to come back. It's not gonna affect you anymore. And I think that's also where a lot of people stop. It's just. They clear it and then continue on. But then, you know, it can come back and kind of recite cycle.
[01:11:51] Speaker B: Yes, I, this is a big topic but I just wanted to touch on it briefly. I've exploring, talking about the, this self responsibility of healing, but I feel like this is very much getting into the mainstream now about. And it's. This word is overused but narcissism, I've heard recently it being described as a, a darker force energy.
And I would just love to get your opinion on that. Like where, where do you see that?
[01:12:30] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree.
It's a, it's like a program that, that runs through certain people. And so the Reptilians and I don't know if anyone's, you know, familiar with them, but they are, yeah one of the several consciousness groups that are here that are trying to yeah. Maintain the sense of power and control over humanity. And that's where I trace a lot of these qualities back to the reptilian beings as well as the fallen Angelics. And yeah, the Occult. Because right. When we go back to Gnosticism and that being. That was so ignorant to think that it was God said, that's narcissism. Right. So, like, what these groups have done, and if you even read now the book of Enoch and it kind of talks about how the watchers that were appointed by this God fell into, you know, kind of caved and started marrying women and giving this. This forbidden knowledge to humans. And as I was reading this, I'm like, why would the one true God appoint these angels that so easily caved and fell right into darkness? It just didn't really make sense to me.
But they. Yeah. Shared not only their knowledge, but their way of being, and that has, like, spread like wildfire. Right. Because, yeah, we're in physical bodies, but it, like I said, everything comes back to a code, a pattern and a program. And a lot of us there are these programs that come from the system, come from these consciousness groups, these dark forces that are like one example of that being this narcissistic programming. Right. Of really making you feel like the. The God complex kind of.
So anytime. And I do have a lot of women who I see who have found themselves in relationships with people like this, and it's such.
It's honestly just like textbook where it's almost like the same experience and the same things, and they can be very charming. They know exactly what to say. They identify where there is. Is a gap or a lack in your life and then tell you they're gonna fill that void. And so, yeah, it's a. It's a darkness for sure.
[01:15:13] Speaker B: And I, I think that is starting to come out that. Yeah. Like, that is like a darker force. And I, I feel like it's just given a little bit more.
[01:15:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:15:26] Speaker B: A deeper understanding because you, you know, if the. The darker forces trying to not stop you from your mission, but like, wanting to maybe, yeah. Take that light or. Yeah. Remove some of that light for themselves. And. Yeah, you can see how that I'm. I'm noticing it happening more and more. I'm hearing about it more and more.
[01:15:54] Speaker C: Yeah. And. And they, they do want to stop you from your mission.
That can totally be part of it. And also creative and sexual energy are some of the most potent forms. So. Right. Especially when the narcissism comes through romantic partnerships, it's like now they have access to the womb. And so, yeah, it can get, you know, a little icky and. And a lot of times, yeah, it's just to keep people kind of stuck in these loops of low Self worth. And yeah, obviously the energy harvesting is a part of that as well.
[01:16:33] Speaker B: Effy.
[01:16:35] Speaker A: I wanted to ask you about.
[01:16:38] Speaker B: The power of dreams as gateways and the concept of dream manipulation because I'm seeing a lot more people now wearing wearables and a lot of like these people wearing like dream senses.
And I even this concept I was listening to like a philosophy student talk about dreams and how potentially in the future this dream tech that is monitoring sleep could. Could subliminally insert some kind of like advert. And we don't even know what the ramification of that could potentially be because we don't know enough about the dream sleep state.
Do you have any thoughts around that?
[01:17:33] Speaker C: Yeah, it's so funny you ask because I'm actually teaching a course right now on dream manipulation and dream sovereignty. We're two weeks in.
[01:17:45] Speaker A: So.
[01:17:45] Speaker C: Yeah, the, the dream realm is, is supposed to be. And, and it's seen this way in, in ancient traditions as well as the sacred realm of healing and communication and renewal and this vital realm for the soul for soul restoration and subconscious integration and higher communication. And in the dream state we are, you know, we're open, we're vulnerable. And so yeah, there's been infiltration and yes, they are using technology and with the technology, you know, we, we know technology is our refrigerator, our computer. Right. It's very physical. But in the fourth dimension and even like the sixth dimension where a lot of these beings also reside, the technology looks very different and sometimes it's almost, almost like non existent. Like you, you really be able to overlook it if you're not diligently looking for it and like have the ability to see it. Like there's been so many times where I'm clearing some type of like fistic sophisticated technology from someone that is really mimics light.
And so yes, they have. There are different dreaming grids and like realms that we go. And there have been, yeah, infiltrations into those dreaming grids that create false dreamscapes, block you from really doing the healing that and the processing that you need to be doing in the dreams. Then there's, you know, things like sleep paralysis where that is. You know, there's entity attachments involved in that.
But yeah, it's definitely real. You know, especially if you're someone that just has these crazy chaotic dreams and you wake up exhausted and yeah. Having trouble falling asleep, staying asleep. So those are all kind of signs that, okay, there's something more going on here. Obviously, you know, it could be a physical thing, but a lot of times, yeah, it's traced back to the infiltration and the dreams because that's. That's right. The, the opening and yeah, kind of stops us from like, being able to travel where we need to go where we need to.
[01:20:10] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:20:11] Speaker C: So, yeah, there's a lot of tech technology coming out right now that they're marketing as, oh, this is going to benefit us and help humanity. And kind of going back to what you said about, okay, there's a, there is a lot more light on the planet. And I don't know, I just, you know, the whole topic of transhumanism, right. Of the merging of organic consciousness with, with synthetic consciousness. And so just be. Be mindful of this technology coming out that they're, you know, obviously not going to tell us exactly what they're doing with it, but there can be, yeah. Repercussions to it that aren't worth, aren't worth it. And whatever you need to.
To do to heal, like, doesn't need to come from a piece of technology.
So, yeah, really, really interesting. It's a really interesting class. It's definitely, you know, out there advanced. But what I did for so long was just really set the intention to protect my dream space. And before I go to bed, just really drop in with myself, be in the light and, and ask for that protection as. As I'm about to fall asleep. And then when I wake up, I would just kind of double check of like, okay, did I pick anything up? Is there any clearing that needs to happen? And again, it's okay if you don't know or can't see it. It's just like the intention is so powerful, the words are so powerful. So if you're in your heart and speaking these things and commanding them and asking that of the higher self and of the light, the light will wash over you and take away what it needs to. So that's always a little practice that you can add in if you struggle with sleep.
[01:22:00] Speaker B: Thank you so much, Lauren. I have loved going on this deep dive with you.
I would love to know. Yeah. Where you're putting your energy at the moment or what you have coming up.
[01:22:12] Speaker C: Up.
Yeah, I have, yes, a podcast called beyond the Veil.
And that definitely goes into much deeper dive on a lot of these topics. The next one is on, you know, what to. What to look out for when you're choosing a healer or someone to work with and how to kind of spot those red flags, so to speak.
But yeah, those come out every two weeks or so. And then I, I teach, so I have a Couple of online courses. One is the foundational practices and, and then a couple of like I have a, a healing sanctuary where you know, it's a, it's a lot to, to do this work and financially as well. Right. So this is kind of a way that people can experience me. The containers that I hold, the clearing that I'm doing for a smaller monthly membership and you get access to 10 different types of healings, trauma work, psychic surgery type clearings as well. Where we're looking for, you know, the, the darker things in the system. So that is all on my website and I will be teaching a course, a mentorship that this winter I do it once a year called the Sacred Dark. And that's basically where I'm going to be teaching people how to kind of start this process themselves. How to, you know, look for these attachments and cords and implants and all of those things that, you know, can be found in the system if anyone is called to, to learn.
And then otherwise I offer, yeah, one on one work where I'm moving the heavy load for you guys and Akashic readings as well. So that's all laurenonearth.com and then Lauren on Earth on Instagram and Tick Tock as well.
[01:24:12] Speaker B: Thank you so much for coming on.
[01:24:15] Speaker C: Thank you so much for having me. It was, yeah, a pleasure.
[01:24:20] Speaker A: Thanks for tuning in to Starbing. May the wisdom shared resonate in your soul.
Until next time, stay connected and keep reaching for the stars. This is Star Being signing off.
